Posted on Wednesday, 7th November 2012 by Harry Hotspur
Good afternoon.
The Society of Black Lawyers might, just might have their hearts in the right place. But clowns like Peter Herbert belting around unchecked with irrational crusades drag serious efforts against genuine racial equality into a politically correct black hole of Calcutta. Hopefully common sense asphyxiates and crushes his idiocies some time soon.
Herbert’s latest mandate free publicity stunt is a masterclass that may yet eclipse his last piece of stupidity. But first, let’s have look at Herbert [who unbelievably is a barrister] was on talkSPORT this week. Citing the case of Daniel Alley a footballer who happens to be deaf.
Alley was indeed abused by fans for a grunting noise he made when communicating with fellow players one specific instance is recorded in decent enough detail here. Yet Herbert insisted this was not primarily about the poor guy’s disability, but because he was, ‘an Afro Caribean player who happened to be deaf.’
Then he went on to tackle the whole Mark Clattenburg fiasco, ‘We’re not commentating on this, it’s a matter for the police to investigate. We’re not going to take part in any trial by the media.’
That was the quote folks! Herbert was then asked, ‘What evidence do you have?’
His reply: ‘I don’t have any evidence… a report …widely reported in the media of racial abuse that appears to have been made and we are entitled to report that to the police… it’s a racial incident…we, on the basis of the information before us, we have the right to report that as a racial incident.’
Eh?
This ambulance chasing schmuck is putting back the cause of black people faster than Ainsley Harriot’s TV appearances [and no Peter, I'm not singling out Harriot because he's black. It's purely on the basis he's a hateful arsehole].
Thank goodness THFC have stepped in with some sanity in response to the aptly named Herbert’s latest brainwave:
“If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution. The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs.”
THFC replied:
“Our position on this topic is very clear. The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting. Our guiding principle in respect of the ‘Y-word’ is based on the point of law itself – the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used i.e. if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence. This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.
“Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.
“The club believes that real anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers is the real evil and the real offence. We believe this is the area that requires a determined and concerted effort from all parties and where we seek greater support to eradicate.”
Perhaps if Herbert really cared, I mean really cared, then he could do something about the hissing noises. Perhaps if Herbert really cared, I mean really cared, then he could do something about the coin throwing. Perhaps if Herbert really cared, I mean really cared, then he could do something about the extraordinary Jew hating chants that we are routinely subjected to by Chelsea, a club now routinely referred to as The Blue Racists.
Of course Herbert won’t be remotely interested in this. It requires far deeper issues being investigated opposed to picking and choosing like some witless grandmother mithering over a tin of Quality Street she didn’t even pay for.
Let’s Kick This 100% Herbert Out Of Football.
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Oouushh
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borisjohnsonstonsils Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Oi…keep your nut down
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Oouushh..
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
How can someone who represents an openly racist organisation carry any credibility about this? Imagine the fuorore if someone started a society of white lawyers! Unless our own supporters make it clear they don’t like it, then it’s none of anyone else’s business.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Can you explain to me why white western males – the most privileged and unoppressed group of humans in the history of time – would need a special group to represent their interests?
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dRb Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I hadn’t realised that black lawyers were a particularly oppressed group of humans…
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Really? Try finding out how many of them there are in comparison to their white counterparts and maybe it will become clearer to you.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Surely having an association for Black Lawyers indicates that regardless of race, you can actually become a Lawyer in this country if you’re determined enough?
Which would indicate that race isn’t a barrier and perhaps financial constraints are more likely to cause issue? Almost every doctor I’ve had to visit or pharmacist is Asian or am I imagining it? Are they not highly paid professionals? so, again race doesn’t appear to be a barrier merely the desire to work hard?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Race is a major barrier. The fact that there are some black lawyers means that it is possible for them to become one, it doesn’t mean that there are no barriers or that their path is as smooth as it is for white people. Which is the definition of equal opportunities. Black people as a demographic earn a lot less than white people and fewer of them reach higher paid or powerful positions in society. If you truly believe that inequality isn’t a factor in these measurable facts, then what would you attribute them to?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I think you’re confusing class and race-It’s just as difficult for a working class white bloke to get ahead, given the levels of education and financial considerations involved-as well as the family support required to allow the time in education, when earning money to survive becomes paramount-as I pointed out earlier- Asian kids seem to be more than doing alright-why is there a difference? or Jewish kids for that matter when they came to the UK from Europe early last century, wasn’t Disraeli a Jew? We’ve got everything from Black Police chiefs-Lawyers, Bankers, Doctors and so on-so how is race a barrier? Class is a far bigger obstacle in my opinion.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I think it’s pretty dangerous to argue that racism doesn’t exist to the level you seem to be doing so. I also think it rings a bit hollow coming from – I presume? – a white male.
Class is a factor of course. But so is race, and I’m certainly not confusing the two. You might also ask why a disproportionate number of black people are ‘working class’?
As for Asian kids doing ‘more than alright’. Are they really? Or is that just a slightly generalized assumption based on your own experiences at the chemist? I don’t mean to be dismissive but really, there may be more Asians achieving relatively more success than black people – but are they really as represented across society as white people? Are there lots of Asian politicians? TV or sports stars even? The answer is ‘no’. Is that because they also don’t ‘work hard enough’? It’s quite a dangerous thought progression which leads to essentially racist ideas itself, no?
You might also do well to compare the different experiences of black and asian people in England, and indeed the wider world. Whereas black people were subject to slavery and dispersed around the world where they faced different issues, the asian experience is considerably different. You might think this is all ancient history, but all these things continue to leave a mark on the way society operates today and the attitudes which prevail in it. Just like the holocaust happened 70 years ago and you might think would show people the catastrophic results of this kind of thinking, anti-semitism is still a problem across Europe. All kinds of racism are not equal. And all should be treated in context.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
While racism certainly exists-I just don’t believe it’s a barrier to succeeding in life that’s all. Yes I’m white, but I’m also part Irish (Catholic),a nationality of which has been subject of the most horrendous acts of barbarism, starvation and exclusion in the past-In fact until 1971 Northern Ireland had a religious apartheid of sorts. If you’re suggesting that working class Brits had it any better, then I suggest you try looking at the apprentice laws and living conditions that existed long AFTER the abolition of slavery in this country-a skin colour isn’t the only means to exclude, oppress and ridicule a fellow human being-society has far more effective ways than that LLL, namely education or lack thereof and the class system of course to name but two. The irony however is while working class white and black lads bicker about who’s the worse off-the real culprits are carrying on regardless and getting away with it.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Believe me, I am quite well versed in the issues of Irish oppression and class struggle. But these are two different issues. Irish oppression was / is a discrimination based on culture and nationality (and religion). Class oppression is a way of siphoning off a larger share of wealth for an elite by keeping a mass of people relatively poor and excluded. Discrimination based on race is quite a different matter.
Let’s put it in very simplistic terms. A working class boy can get himself a suit and change his accent. Same as an Irish person. Same way that Jewish people have changed their surnames and played down their heritage in order to assimilate. A black person can’t ever change the colour of their skin. And for some people, that’s the first (and last) thing they notice.
Look at America – where you can commonly find entire neighbourhoods that are 80-90% black working class (often with Latino’s making up the other 10-20%), where the white working class live entirely different lives in entirely different communities. Are you seriously telling me race is not a factor?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
So let’s be even more simplistic then-How did any black guy become a lawyer in the first place?
That’s my point-you can make points all night long but the fact remains it’s possible to be want you want to be-it’s just a longer harder road if you’re working class, black, Irish, Outer Mongolian or Inuit etc- But if you’re middle class, educated and have got the right connections it’s a piece of piss-same ol’ same as!
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
A black guy became a lawyer in the first place because a. they made it legal for him to do so and b. because he worked really hard against lots of obstacles. If you really believe society is now a completely level playing field unless you are working class, tell me why there are still fewer black lawyers than white, working class or otherwise? And why there are still a disproportionate amount of white faces on TV than any others – working class or otherwise?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Where did I say society is or has ever been a level playing field?,what I’ve said a quite clearly and quite often is Society has never been nor ever will a level playing field if you’re anything other than middle class
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Apologies LLL, got cut of midstream-I think you’ll find something like 85% of the top jobs in the UK are held by those attending public school-so a fairer synopsis would be how many of those remaining 15% are held by non-fee paying-comprehensive pupils rather than their race as the vast majority of those by demographic proportion would be white I’d had thought, being that the majority of those resident in the UK are indeed white.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Essex, I’m 90% with you on that. All I’d say is that if you look further at these kind of statistics, that black people and other minorities are even further disadvantaged in society and actually make up a disproportionate number of the working class itself.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
So a revolution it is then-Where’s Billy L when we need him-power to the people- for without opportunity talents a sheer waste!
Yid from the States Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I think the point LLL is attempting to be made here is that if this was a white group pressing for the rights of Whites (anywhere in the world) it would be seen as wasteful because in most cases having white skin has never been a real hindrance. Yes, its 2012 and pockets of racism still our out there but its rare and does not affect most people in their daily lives.
That said you would be hard pressed to say (especially as an American) that law defining, segregation, and acts of violence based solely on race are that far off. It was from 55-68 when African Americans started fight for and receive equal treatments. That’s only 50 years which is not even a life time ago. So there are cases where peoples parents and grandparents where subject to terribly demeaning and awful treatment. Which is why there was a justifiable rise of Black societies….
As for the group up for discussion they seem to be misguided and way off the mark on their comments about Spurs and Spurs fans. Yes racism should be irradiated…unfortunately this society has missed the mark. Don’t attack a club that has never shown itself to be racist towards any group, and a club proud of its Jewish Constitutes and have adopt the Yid Army as a way to back them.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Very good post Mr. Yid from the States.
I also like the notion of ‘irradiating’ racism
Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
LLL
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hackneyid Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
why dont you come and live in London, somewhere like Tottenham or Hackney and find out which people are really oppressed?! people like you aint got a clue what the real world is like son. places like hackney and tottenham dont give chances to white working classes, i think you call us chavs or little englanders, sometimes a bus doesnt stop for you because you have a white face, still you probably dont know what a bus is!
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Yid from the States Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Is this a serious post?
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Let’s hope there aren’t any rappers thinking of playing any gigs in this country again or this total moron and his discriminatory colleagues (ANY organisation that demands you be of a certain colour or skin to belong to it is discriminatory and I’m pretty sure you have to be black to be in the black lawyers’ club, or whatever they call themselves) will be having them all arrested for their liberal use of the “n-word”, presumably. Or are Jay-Z and Snoop alright because they’re black.
This self-publicising toad of a man should stop this nonsense crusade. As you said, HH, Peter Herbert and his divisive cronies are actually putting things back not promoting the equal and accepting community that we need to go forwards.
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Flipper Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I’ve been thinking much along the same lines. Hypothetically, if a black guy is arrested for using the n-word, would this Herbert a) congratulate the police on a successful collar or b) accuse the police of racially motivated harassment?
I know which one my money is on.
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Would you be allowed in if you were black balled
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
And what do you black folks think?
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`rich g Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
too busy breeding to communicate
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
God knows what the Irish blacks are up to, eh?
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Ask your relations on Aran
Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
We be dancin, mainly… to be sure, to be sure…
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Congratulations. Even though most of your posts consist of short, crude insults, you’ve managed to conjure something even uglier. Some going.
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Cheshuntboy Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
LLL – I posted in support of you earlier today but don’t worry, you’re no longer tainted by association with me – I thought political correctness (‘Gone mad’ if that’s preferable) went with AVB/Levy love like Garth Crooks with pomposity, or Sol Campbell with greed, but clearly it’s everywhere now. By the same token, Essexian 76 talks total tripe about Spurs, but makes perfect sense on the relative oppression of black slaves and Irish peasants – my Irish and English ancestors didn’t promote or benefit from slavery, and I certainly don’t feel guilt or a need to make amends to anyone alive today for crimes committed long ago by one group of people against another, all long since dead. There’s a whole industry now, based on taking offence and then seeking to profit from it, and it’s deeply depressing to see how many apparently intelligent people are happy not to have to think for themselves on this issue – just echo the BBC/liberal establishment line, and close your ears and eyes to the destruction of free speech and a free society, which is rapidly gathering pace in this shambles of a country. Oh, and I don’t think AVB is doing a very good job either.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Hello Cheshuntboy, thanks for your support. Sorry that I’ve lost an advocate with my waffling though. My post here is in response to Rich, whose post I felt was pretty offensive.
As for what you say about political correctness, I think that in as far as we shouldn’t judge people on their race, religion, background etc and we should respect difference, being politically correct is the right thing to do. If people want to focus on it ‘going mad’ that’s a different issue. I personally think it’s right that people act nicely to each other, that’s all.
As for your own lack of guilt or whatever, I’m a bit confused. I don’t think you should feel personally guilty either. Guilt doesn’t come into it. Awareness, sensitivity and empathy do, however. Quite different. As I said, it is quite easy, perhaps even hollow, for a white male to announce that racial or sexual or discrimination is no longer a force in our society. Even if you are an Irish white male(as I am by descent).
I also don’t know what you mean by echoing the liberal establishment. Last time I checked we had a Tory government? Free speech? Well that is here, we are all speaking freely. It doesn’t mean you have a right to incite hate though. Whichever direction it’s flowing from.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Oh, well, last season’s happy clapper makes a radical the next I suppose-how fickle are we?
Tel Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
f***in chill out
PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Gutter talk.
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Cheshuntboy Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 10:20 am
LLL – I daresay this exchange of views is dead, but I’ll just say that when a group of people choses to label itself as ‘black’ (whether lawyers, policemen or footballers) and then looks around for issues to become irate about, it’s no surprise that there’s an understandable (and justifiable) reaction – and even David James was scornful of the motives of those proposing a black footballers’ group. So far as the ‘liberal establishment’ is concerned, do you seriously believe that having a Cameron/Clegg duopoly in power means that we’re labouring under the yoke of right-wing tyranny? Free speech means being able to say unpalateable and even offensive things (‘Free’ speech isn’t ‘free’ if it’s qualified in ANY way) without falling foul of the law, but we’ve got people being arrested for ‘offensive’ twitters (actually, all twitters are offensive – I’d happily see Stephen Fry back in choky for his relentless twittery), and I’d love to see how anyone brave or stupid enough to speak-up for Jimmy Savile would get on in our tolerant and inclusive homeland today. Would Salman Rushdie find a publisher for the ‘Satanic Verses’ today? He doesn’t think so, neither do I, and free speech is trickling away like sand in an egg-timer.
LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I don’t think there is a problem with the labelling but I do agree that their choice of targets is misguided.
As for the Cameron/Clegg duopoly – call me crazy, but I do believe that. Well, not tyranny, but regressive, right-wing policy, yes, most definitely. The recession and deficit is the perfect excuse to push through measures even Thatcher pulled short of.
And free speech? I just don’t think that this is a major issue. One of the only examples you can come up with is someone sticking up for Saville. Well, why would anyone? And what would society gain from that? And would this person be prosecuted or just pilloried? And yes, I absolutely believe that Rushdie’s book would find a publisher. Infact, it is still in print and being published today, which rather debunks Rushdie’s fears, no?
How many people are actually prosecuted for ‘saying’ bad things? In law, racist language itself is not illegal, which is why you can find so much of it wafting around the internet. Just check twitter, youtube comments for examples of everyday, offensive racism being spilled out in plain view. The law rules against language which includes a level of ‘incitement’. And even when cases of racist abuse are taken to court, as we’ve seen from the John Terry saga, there is as with any other crimes the burden of reasonable doubt which is extra difficult to establish with language.
November 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Harry you racist what have we slum dwellers of Calcutta ever done to you? Theres no black holes here just brown ones…racist p*ick…
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I said on your other doodlewotsit, if some were not racist before, they may be now. monumental.
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Once a YID, always a YID, and I’ll always be a YID…….unless of course I’m told not to be…
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Yid like to think so wouldn’t you?
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
I wonder if David Baddiel will get involved in this, he seems to like this issue.
Did you see him on “Jewish Mum of the Year” by any chance? He didn’t seem to fit in.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
He, like Herbert simply craves to ‘be the issue.’
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the man from room five Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
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Hartley Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 8:51 am
I’m guessing he didn’t win it then……..
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
i tell you something, unless herbert wants to irreparably damage his reputation then he’d be well advised to avoid getting into a legal debate with the THFC lawyers coz they will obliterate him.
one ethnic minority advising another how to behave/think..the arrogance almost defies belief.
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
anyone fancy a drink tonight down at that new bar opened by the SBL, The NiggerWopWhiteTrashBogTrotterAbboCheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeyChinkHymieCoonHun Inn?
(drinks are on me)
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
This attention-seeking idiot and his ilk are unfortunately taking race relations back decades, only in negative!
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
SECOND SHOWING
Yiddish(yid) is a Language not a Peoples,so no race intent 
For nearly a thousand years, Yiddish was the primary, and sometimes only, language that Ashkenazi Jews spoke.
Advertisement for New York performance of King Lear in Yiddish, early 1900s.
Unlike most languages, which are spoken by the residents of a particular area or by members of a particular nationality, Yiddish – at the height of its usage – was spoken by millions of Jews of different nationalities all over the globe. The decimation of European Jewry during the Holocaust in the mid-twentieth century marked the end of Yiddish as a widely spoken language and of the unique culture the language generated. Today, select groups of ultra-Orthodox Jews continue to use Yiddish as their primary language. Yiddish language is now widely studied in the non-Jewish and academic world
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bruno eruga-cohen Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
In the same vein, Jewish is an adjective related to Judaism – ie a religious or sectarian discriminator (remember Ulster) rather than ethnic or racial. I wholeheartedly agree that that tosser, Herbert, (no offences intended to genuine North Woolwich supporters) is an abomination. For a QC or barrister, briefs must be hard to find if he has time to waste with this bollox. Black lawyers?? Who gives a shit about their colour? They’re all blood-sucking leech cunts (oh shit, just offended the Society of Lezza Lawyers – motto: “let’s kick the snatch outta sex”!!
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Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
In that case, I suppose I’ll have to post my response!!
Your account is absolutely factually correct. What is also true is that many, many Jewish people find the term Yid highly offensive, despite its long historical significance.
Mainly, this stems from the misappropriation of the work by racists throughout the 20th Century, when it was almost exclusively used by non-Jews to describe Jews in a wholly perjorative way (“dirty, f*cking Yid…”, etc).
This use became ingrained. It entirely overwhelmed the historical meaning: in fact, the historical context became irrelevant.
I understand that Spurs fans have reclaimed the word and I fully support that (and shoving it down the racists’ throats).
However, it would be incorrect to say that a large number of Jewish people don’t find the term highly offensive, despite its historical meaning, as they do…
It’s a bit like saying – “Paki” can’t be offensive, it’s just short for “Pakistani” … and, anyway, Pakistani is a nationality, so what could
be less offensive than that?
We all know that the term “Paki” is rarely, if ever, used in a positive context. The same is/was true of Yid.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t be allowed to use the term, I’m just saying that we should be allowed for the right reasons (ie reclamation / irony, etc) rather than the wrong one (ie history)
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Your argument does not hold water,you would be laughed out of court,Phil is based on fact, you confuse the language Yiddish which on no account can be termed racial with the word Pakistani which is of a people.You do not know your Hebrew from your Urdu
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Alspur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
…and you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how daft it is…
November 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I might be wrong but I do believe that the tool about which you are writting is a chelsea fan and has anti-semitic tendencys which is why he wants to reclaim the term Yid for those who would use it in an offensive and disparaging manner
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
…..excuse the terrible spelling its getting late!
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
there is a real issue in all of this but frankly it is cheap publicity, low hanging fruit rather than taking on the much more difficult issues where supporters of other clubs use it to cause hatred. there are plenty of youtube clips of chelsea fans singing about concentration camps and the west ham lot have a few unpleasant songs. but will he take on the chelsea club with its captain who was found to have used racist language but still have him as the captain? nahm, that would be hard work and not likely to reval any benefit/improvement. he will go for the easy target, the ones most likely to stop because they only ever did it as a defensive measure rather than out of hatred, in fact the opposite, out of soildarity. it does all smack unfortunately of cheap publicity rather than demonstarting courage in taking on the diifcult cases. i appreciate what he says re it still being an issue if a jewish person says it. but as he listened to the lyrics of many a rap song that use the n word with impunity and not little contempt. maybe he could focus on that.
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I miss Victorian times.
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Try the Radio Times instead.
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I’ve just tried to get on their site to have a look and it won’t load. Ironically all I’m getting is a white screen.
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Astro Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
It’s a Love Thy Neighbour media blackout. Or a whitewash.
It’s something.
Or possibly nothing.
Yes.
Probably.
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SpurredoninDubblin Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
My suspicion is that they have realised the stupidity of Herbert and don’t want to have to scroll through 1,000′s of e-mails pointing out the obvious.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Racism at best is upsetting and at worst down right evil.
We dont have to look too far back in history to see it in its crowning glory in Yugoslavia and Nazi Germany.
What is so extraordinary about the SBL is that very word ‘black’ is encompassed in their organisation’s name. If ever you want to cause divisions in people take a look at them as a living example.
Are our universaties and seats of excellance really exuding people like this nowadays? Incredible.
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Astro Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Couldn’t agree more! As a hater of racism I’ve never quite understood how open segregation can ever help fight racism. How can we take an organisation that openly segrates themselves from other races seriously on racist issues. The way towards beating racism is INCLUSION not exclusion of races! But i’m just an Irish white guy that supports an English football team with a Jewish heritage, what do i know!
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
It isn’t about excluding people, it’s about representing people. How many black lawyers are there? The answer to that question may hopefully lead you to the answer as to why a black lawyers group may be necessary (not this particular group, just in theory).
I’m of Irish descent myself Astro. Remember that Irish groups and clubs used to be quite common? This wasn’t about division so much as mutual support and community in a time when Irish people were quite commonly discriminated against in England.
I’m not sticking up for this bloke, who in my opinion has already fudged the issue, which will do his cause no good. But I do get tired of hearing the old ‘why can’t we have a white man’s group you racist’ chestnut. Misses the point in a fundamental way imo.
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
There are thousands of Asian lawyers in this country. Do they count as black ?
If not, will they be forming their own group ?
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Have you counted them? Technically, no. Black usually referring to African / Caribbean. They may already have their own group for all we know. Does that idea make you angry?
david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
No need to count them, have worked in the Insurance/ legal profession for 40 years so my comments are based on personal knowledge over that period.
So if you are correct, it sounds as if the Black lawyers society is quite strict regarding who can become a member.
Why would it make me angry ?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I have no idea what kind of membership criteria there is for the black lawyers society. I haven’t looked into it – have you? I would presume that there isn’t any set criteria, but that’s just my assumption.
Why would it make you angry? I really don’t know, but you don’t seem super-keen on the idea, that much is coming across.
david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Please clarify, on the basis of my comments made at 8.48 and 9.10 how you reach that assumption.
I was simply asking the question.
You appear to be making assumptions about me but I have no idea why, particularly as you know nothing about me.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
I’m also asking you questions: does it make you angry? Well, does it? If it doesn’t bother you that an Asian Lawyers Group may exist, or that a black lawyers group does, perhaps you can explain why you are asking in the first place?
david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
But where is your answer to mine at 9.24 ?
And last time I looked, this was a blog where people make all sorts of points and raise all sorts of questions/ issues which is what I have done.
You seem to be jumping to conclusions. I have no idea why you think this issue of Black/ Asian interest groups would make me angry.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
I did ask you my question at 9:04 pm and you still haven’t answered it, but I will do you the courtesy you won’t afford me and answer yours.
I didn’t explicitly make any assumption – I asked you if it made you angry. You didn’t yet answer. But If you want to know why I asked, it is, as I already kind of explained, that I don’t see why you would be asking these questions if a ‘black lawyers group’ and a possible ‘asian lawyers group’ were things that didn’t bother or provoke some kind of reaction in you. Perhaps I’m wrong? If so, what is the curiosity?
david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
You asked if the idea made me angry and then stated “you don’t seem super keen on the idea, that much is coming across”.
I asked you to clarify why, based on my comments, you reached that conclusion.
You now seem to be saying the very fact I raised these points must be because it makes me angry.
Sorry but there is no logic to your argument.
People raise all sorts of issues on here all the time is the only reason they do this out of anger ? Clearly not, I cannot understand why anybody ( including me ) would get angry because such groups exist.
Incidentally, there is a group for Asian lawyers in this country. The wonders of google.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Ok David, perhaps I was wrong. I’m still not totally sure what were the roots of your curiosity since you haven’t really explained, but I’ll accept that it wasn’t ‘anger’.
Bobbles Reply:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Get a room.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
If we didn’t pay attention to race or skin colour, then there would be no racism. Racism is not in the word “YID”, nor is it in the word “BLACK” – it is however, in the mind of a racist and will be even more so, when a society chooses to embrace such words in a negative way, rather than embrace them in a positive way.
If the Society of Black lawyers can embrace the word “BLACK” in a positive way, then why can’t Spurs fans embrace the word “YID” in a positive way?
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Paul9inch Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
agreed but you cant get away from the fact that it sends out a subliminal message. Imagine an organisation called the Society of White Lawyers. Christ that would cause it and no doubt some form of investigation by the police.
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BLACK YID Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I think it is because society believes subconsciously in the right of the lowly to raise themselves up the ladder of equality, but not in the right of the already raised to elevate themselves even further ahead.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
I actually like the yid connotation at Tottenham.
The problem is when you label like that its easy to twist it around.
Its not a problem when things are ok its a problem when things are not ok.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Obama had a discussion with Jessie Jackson some time around his first election.
Obama was talking about responsibility,Jackson about Civil rights.
It was interesting as we are now moving between the two.
Monorities still need help but they also need to help themselves by building their communities up.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
America is the most segregated country I’ve ever been to Ronnie. You only have to look at the split of the Republican / Democrat vote by race and demographic to see how racial inequality is still such a major thing over there.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Its not easy to de-segregate.It will take time.
The areas often both white and black are ignorant of a changing world.
Some of the amendments to the constitutions are held religiously…and ridiculously….as the basis of life in America even though Democracy is the one system that is supposed to be in constant development like a work in progress relative to every other system.
But as Obama said its time for them all to take responsibility. Its a mixture of management top down and for the bottom also to pull themselves up too.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
and I was talking about desegregation being important for everyone to develop it.Not just one sided.It should be a partnership Black/white Top/Bottom etc Not just one way
LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:35 am
I agree. I think. Anyway, I don’t disagree.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:53 am
I know its a sensitive area.IM torn between the fairness of civil rights and treating everyone the same.You cant do the second until the first is fixed but cant keep on the civil rights thing beyond its usefulness either.
I hope you understand what I mean.
That was Obamas point to Jesse Jackson
northern spur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:12 am
@Black Yid. 5.36pm. Well said.
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:36 am
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
If the Society of Black lawyers can embrace the word “BLACK” in a positive way, then why can’t Spurs fans embrace the word “YID” in a positive way?
Very well put
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Erm..because we don’t have an agenda.
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calebray Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
so we are not trying to get levy to sell jenas then? Thats what i signed up for you lightweights.
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November 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Them getting involved with Spurs like this, of course has nothing to do with the fact that Chelsea are currently having them act of their behalf for the Clattenburg situation, probably for a nice hefty fee.
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November 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I think we are beating Barca 4-0 in the next gen
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Razspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Yes looks like 4-1 away to Barca, and a hat- trick for our young striker, get him in the first team.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
No dont!
Its a mistake.
Take all the first team to see the kids and show them how lifeless the first team can be
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I just got a text,are you watching it
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
We are short of creative midfielders at the moment. How about given Alex Pritchard a run out? Well in the ropy dopey anyhow.
Bukkake-breath Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Finally something worth listening to from the society of spurs fans
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November 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
one of the concerns the club must have, and no doubt a reason they reacted so quickly, is damage to rteputation. obviousluy north america is a big market with a lot of spending power and enormous growing interest in the premiership. can you imagine the likelihood of someone deciding to follow the lillywhites and even buy a shirt or two if they have seen just the headlines that have come out today. i am sure it is potentially very damaging to the club when most people seem to deal only in headlines.
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
I would like to say that I agree almost whole-heartedly with HH’s blog today, and I would like this added to the record.
One small quibble is the use of the term ‘political correctness’. There’s nothing wrong with being politically correct. It basically means not abusing people in a nasty and manner. I know some people believe the concept has ‘gone mad’ but that’s a different matter. I don’t think the guy here is pushing political correctness so much as latching on to whatever issue he can think of to make a bit of noise and get a bit of exposure for his group. Which is pretty stupid and will backfire on him for sure. Especially when the target here with the Y word is so obviously the wrong one.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Tree hugging fuck
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
I tried that once and ended up a bit sore.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
It’s fine if you stay at first base. Anything above gentle petting and you’re asking for trouble.
Wilboid Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
i draw the line at saplings
the man from room five Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
“leaf” it out…
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spurious Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Maybe you should start a splinter group
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Isnt Barking on the Fenchurch street to Shoeburyness train run??????
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
You only have to look at the people behind the publications “The Politically Incorrect Guides” Regnery Publishing, which are publications by assorted Neocons and Tea Party lunatics to see how the expression “politically correct” has entered the folklore of right wing demonology. By the way I love your posts, they help me retain my sanity and they are very difficult to argue against.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Come on BC,most people moan about PC in the terms of eg,complaining that rubbish bags are black etc don’t try put the average mans use of the term with the Tea Party lunatics
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
The most common complainers about PC are the Daily Mail. So there you go. Tea Party loons and Daily Mail loons unite.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Your a person of extremes,is there any middle ground in your world?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Please expand.
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Who on Earth complains that rubbish bags are black?
What is the average man’s use of the term?
Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
It’s quite clear. If you don’t agree with the ‘victimised’ right-wing shit stirrers who would like to go back to an age when you could call someone a ‘ni**er’ or ‘paki’ and have a jolly good laugh about it, then you are the extremist.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
BC,not to long ago in some London boroughs,believe it or believe it not,it was proposed by some looney councilors that rubbish bags should be changed from black to dark green,as not to offend minorities.As I said before I am always weary of people who shout too loud,I think to even think along them lines is racist in itself.
The average person,IMO has a good sense of fairplay and while attention needs to be drawn to every form of racism,racism should not be seeked when none is there.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Is that really true though? Because a lot of the ‘PC gone mad’ stories often wind up being made up or greatly elaborated by the Daily Mail.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Billy,if that was aimed at me,you’ve got me totally wrong.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Is seeked a word?
November 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Was in Asda around 4:30pm when a good looking Milf tugged at my Spurs top, I thought I’m in here. She pointed to a kid in a Spurs shirt (Lennon) and said “he is a Tottenham fan and he loves your Dembele shirt. Slightly disappointed i said great to see Lennon showing a bit of form lately and I hope we win tomorrow night and especially on Sunday, he agreed and they wandered off towards the deli counter.
Missed the boat there , should have asked her back to see my coin collection, the kid could have watched a re- run of The Redknapp years.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Do you store your coins on the end of your cock?
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cincinnatiyid Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Should have traded shirts with the kid, dumbass.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
This guy is what we call in the trade a ‘Perma Cock’.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Do you think he is the real Razspur? He was in to coins. He could just be a clever imposter.
November 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Something we can all unite and rejoice in: the boy Dembele isn’t going under the knife:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/no-operation-needed-for-tottenham-hotspurs-mousa-dembele-8294588.html
I did find this quote from AVB rather puzzling though:
“We had extremely good games against Southampton and Norwich.”
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cincinnatiyid Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I guess that tells you something about his standards. . . .
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Not yet
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
R.I.P. Clive Dunn. Comedy genius. Class act.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
I’m actually sad that he’s gone too. Sorely missed BC, mate. Sorely missed.
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elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Dad’s Army….Uncle will be very sad. I think he served with him at the Battle of Hastings….
Clive Dunn will be the office screen saver in the morning.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Yes Dads army!
Had that sour mush face…
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
What if the Society For Tottenham Fans made a criminal complaint about his use of the term ‘black’?
And what if a white lawyer wanted to join, and then objected to the term ‘black’ as it discriminated against them?
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
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dRb Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Something about the whole thing smells like bullshit.
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
So, if you are Jewish are sing “Yid Army”, is that allowed?
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elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
My wife is Jewish and consequently so are both my children. I regularly go to the Lane with my jewish father in law and happily chant “Yid Army’ so on and so forth. We are the Yids, that’s who we are and when my son is old enough he will stand there chanting it too, with me and his Jewish grand dad.
It’s simply a matter of context and if I were to be over heard saying the word ‘yids’ at shabatt on a friday night around my mother in laws house any one there would immediately understand that I am talking football. The Herberts of this world want to try and take on some real racial issues, like how when Sol Campbell was abused with a vile chant, he had a dozen old bill with cam-corders waiting to catch the perpetrators, how come that same tactic has NEVER been employed when the blue racists sing “Spurs are on their way to Aushwitz, Hitler’s gonna gas em again” or the hissing at Upton park, Stamford bridge etc.
There seems to be an alarming criteria born of the last 10 years that dictates what these people construe as racist abuse, a criteria which has almost certainly bolstered those Neo Neo Nazi scum bags the BNP’s membership from 90,000 to over 100,000,000. People like Herbert seldom help anything other than their own sense of self importance.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Shabbat Shalom!!!
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elfranklins Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Trust me I’m on a winner …. Friday night – Mother in laws for dinner, Saturday night – Take away – Sunday afternoon Mum’s house for a roast.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Look its not so bad….
Oy have I got a striker for us…
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elfranklins Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
‘Vill he be good at home as well as ovey?’
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
You dont like it so sue me….what do I care…my sons a lawyer…wait…he is a controller….a bookeeper…..a meshiginah!
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Jolly nice of this chap to do his part in raising the noise levels in White Hart Lane for the upcoming game.
Guaranteed sweeping choruses of various Yid related chants.
I am assuming he will be looking to raise complaints at gigs up and down the country that feature rap artists.
And has he warned Chris Rock to stay away yet?
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Jim Davidson’s available.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
So is Freddie ‘I never done it’ Starr.
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Reminds me – my little cousin was reciting baa baa green sheep to me the other day.
wtf?
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
If this plum actually goes to the police with this I am interested to see what will happen.
I understand from a copper I know that if someone accuses someone else of making a racist comment towards them then there an arrest now and let the lawyers sort it out attitude taken. The arresting officers opinion of the validity of the claim is to be completely disregarded. Which I guess given the perception of institutionalised racism in the police, would have to be the way to appear on the side of good.
On a macro scale I imagine the police will have to defer to the CPS for a ruling on this and therefore a battle of interpretation of the law on the matter will ensue. I fear this will hang over us for a while. This is a perfect case for a fledgling pressure group to use to get themselves established in the public eye. Whatever the actual validity of the complaint.
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Anyway. Our kids just stuffed Barcelonas kids 4-1.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Yep, they’ll be whining in Spain about playing the Tottingham way in future and doing away with this tippy tappy malarky
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November 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Our boy Wilian just scored against the Chavs. Let’s sign him up!
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November 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
watching celtic against barca. Zonal marking WTF
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November 7th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Great goal from Oscar, but up til then Shakatak were completely dicking Chelsea.
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November 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
If I were to form a white Spurs supporters club tomorrow, I shudder to think what type of person it would attract.
Ae we assuming that only white people are capable of being racist ?
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I don’t think it’s safe for you to assume anything. Why not try thinking on it a bit more. Or start looking into it a bit more.
Here’s a freebie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
But what do you think LLL ?
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I’ve waffled on at length elsewhere. And I’m not sure what you’re asking me exactly. Do I think only white people are capable of being racist? No. Do I think that a ‘black lawyers group’ is by definition a racist group against white people? No.
david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
I agree with both those points and yet as I said below, I shudder to think what type of person I would attract if I started a whites only group for any purpose.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
And that’s possibly because the function of a ‘white lawyers group’ would presumably to promote ‘white’ interests, whatever they may be. It’s my opinion that ‘white interests’ pretty much dominate the western world already. Whereas other peoples interests are perhaps under-represented at best, suppressed at worst. Which is why these people may form groups to represent their interests / empowerment. I don’t believe their is a black supremacy issue going on here, and don’t worry, even if there is, they have a very long road to go before anything like that occurs.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
The answer to that David is you wouldn’t be allowed to-how does that work exactly?
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
To be honest Essex, I would not want to, as I suspect it would attract all sorts of nutters and persons whose views I would hate.
But I suspect you are right re not being allowed to form such a group as someone would complain – maybe Mr Herbert!
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Why would you need one?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Well, in terms of equality why should there be a need for any secular associations-The thing is LLL the more you discriminate in favour of one element the more extreme others by nature will become-and then you’ve problems-big one’s.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
As I said above, I wouldn’t see the establishment of these kind of minority groups as discriminatory at all so much as representative. If minority groups are under-represented in certain sectors – and this again is a measurable fact – then it is OK by me that they organize groups which campaign for better representation and offers mutual support. In fact it’s a good thing – in theory, if not always in practice (like for instance this Herbert fudging his issues).
You think that society is divided only by class – well, presumably you agree with the concept of trade and workers unions then? Same thing.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
And btw, the response of extremist factions to such groups ought not to be a reason to suppress them. i.e. if the EDL get uppity about an ‘Bangladeshi Gardeners Group’ as I’m sure they would do – this alone isn’t a good reason not to have a Bangladeshi Gardeners Group.
November 7th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Willian looks a class act again. But at least we got Clint and gylfi…phew!?
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Thanks for the reminder, that is really reassuring.
Not looking forward to our next 2 PL games at all.
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November 7th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Got to love the Bhoys-2-0 brilliant, brilliant, brilliant!
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
They were 11-1 to win before kick off with Paddy Power.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
I was going to have a tickle on the draw at 4-1 and still bottled it..hey Whoever Barca’s manager is -he’s out
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
It is an unbelieveable result, if it stays this way. Does this make Celtic champions of Europe, a bit like Scotland claimed they were World Champions after they beat England, shortly after we won the World Cup ?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Oh, well hear about this for ages now-like they moan about Englands bragging about the world cup 66 win-yet never let up about the 67 win at Wembley-but hey-I’m pleased for them all the same
November 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Facking how lucky are Chelsea?
If proof were ever needed that God does not exist, it’s that luck pours down on those twats.
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elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
No that could be seen as proof that Satan has won the final battle, just look around…Simon Cowell…Jeremy Hunt…..One Direction…. The end is nigh…and maybe all things considered that’s not a bad thing….
Sorry enough fairy tales now….Chelski are just lucky blue racists.
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November 7th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Bugger, lost money on Schalke last night and Shaktar tonight. There goes the milk money.
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Has anyone seen the youth teams match v Barca today ?
Would be interested in views on the game as I have only seen the scoreline.
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Half of the rubbish spouted by some individuals leads to nothing more that positive discrimintion. As soon as we start making the rules about “we need X,Y and Z to be representative therfore we have to employ 4 X’s, 5 Y’s and 0 Z’s, just doesn’t work.
For example, what would you prefer if you required urgent medical treatment?
a) A purple paramedic that wasn’t as good as his blue counter part, but because he was purple he got the job?
b) The best paramedic, who happened to be blue?
….hhhmmmmm let me think?
Okay granted ‘blue’ may have been a bad choice!
If these individuals advocating this strategy think on. If you ever get in trouble by the law, I trust you will be using the ‘black lawyers group’ to defend you regardless of there ability / inability?
If you want to truly tackle why there are non representitative minorities in various sectors of society it has to be tackled at grass route level – through understanding of culture and education amd tolerance. Until you tackle these issues having a ‘black lawyers foundation’ (or whatever) is just plainly ridiculous and supports the growth of positive discrimination, sectorisation and labelling of society.
As an example my wife had a senior position in Local Government (in NW England) and they had a ‘drive’ for Asian minorities in local goverment, it was a complete disaster – ultimately the Asian minorities saw this as a ‘god given right’ to employement with the local councils and abused this right terribly and the ‘measured’ quality of service dramatically reduced. How was that a good thing for anyone, especially the people the council was serving?
I grew up in a town that became majority muslim over the course of 20 years or so (from personal experience) no-one can tell me that white males people are key perpetrators (from my experience), there were continual horrendous acts of racism against white males (and young girls). ALL sectors of society are equally responsible past, present and future.
The whole world needs to move on, forgive and do our best to forget the past. We have all been wronged in some way racially, heck when I first came to Australia, on a number of occasions was accused of being a ‘Pome taking their jobs’ (ironically in one instance by a Kiwi!?). Can I say Kiwi? You just have to let it go and rise above it.
Any actions that lead to preferential treatment, segregation, sectorisation and ultimately positive discrimination are fundementally flawed and should be avoided at all costs by ALL people….
As for Yids calling themselves Yids, well if they don’t charge themselves with racial abuse then how can there be a case? As I understand it (?) discrimination is primarily relating to the interpretation of the receiver of intended communication(s), so i.e. from me to me? I aint that stupid I’m going to sue myself unless there is an insurance payout?
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Finn Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Good post Brissie and I think the comments by Black Yid are worth repeating…
If we didn’t pay attention to race or skin colour, then there would be no racism. Racism is not in the word “YID”, nor is it in the word “BLACK” – it is however, in the mind of a racist and will be even more so, when a society chooses to embrace such words in a negative way, rather than embrace them in a positive way.
If the Society of Black lawyers can embrace the word “BLACK” in a positive way, then why can’t Spurs fans embrace the word “YID” in a positive way?
First class comment!
We are all different and rather than celebrate the differences we fear them. People like this ‘erbert exploit that fear and in this case the guy is going to town to build himself up as a celebrity; who will all the top black earners want to be represented by?
This will drive more of wedge between people, he’s playing with a with us or against us strategy to divide not unite. The irony of the fact that he’s doing it by forming a Society that is literally racist is not lost on us or I’m sure him, However he should look to clean house a bit better, if he can make a complaint as a bystander to the police of a law being broken by us calling ourselves Yids, why not a raft of complaints at black people calling each other n*****s, on the TV, in the movies and in the street.
That he can ignore the Chavs hissing whilst leaping onto a bandwagon with no evidence, just reports of Mark Clattenburgs words from a third party with a slippery grasp of English let alone dialects, suggest strongly that this twat is in fact a Chav. So apart from starting a racist society, he also supports a racist football team? Despite being a barrister he wants to accuse and prosecute purely on hearsay with no evidence?
Surely on the evidence m’lord,
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spurious Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
If Herbert is acting for/or a supporter of Chavski, my guess is that it’s just them throwing as much sheeeeeeeit at the whole racism in sport issue, in the hope that some of it sticks. This would make their transgressions on the Terry racism and Clattenburg accusations less serious. Someone in their boardroom has read The Art of War by Sun Tzu.
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Every negative / foul mouth related word in my vocabulary has now been replaced with the word “Herbert”…..
Although I may confuse the wife somehwat when I ask to eat her Herbert!
And yes I think this comment should be posted again!
If we didn’t pay attention to race or skin colour, then there would be no racism. Racism is not in the word “YID”, nor is it in the word “BLACK” – it is however, in the mind of a racist and will be even more so, when a society chooses to embrace such words in a negative way, rather than embrace them in a positive way.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
The real problem with that is with nuance.
If I called you a black bastard (as Ali G says ‘I dont mean YOU‘)
How do you know what my meaning is?
If you leave it it people will exploit the greay areas not to offer humour but to offer back handed racist insults
BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Don’t worry pal I’m a white 30 something male (the stereotypical perpetrated according to some). My bold was a repeat (of a repeat) from another post above!
November 7th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Well, this has been an interesting subject, back to the crock of shit known as our first team and the ropey dopey tomorrow night.
Anyone else noticed how exciting the CL qualifiers have become since we were in the competition ?
Prior to our involvement these games were generally a cure for insomnia.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Kick off is less than 24 hours away. The excitement is palpable!
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
I’m shitting my pc pants!
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david Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
You need to get some PVC pants mate.
Avoid staining the furniture.
BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:04 am
But you could end up staining the ceiling with enough pressure!!
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
As far as racism in football is concerned- we all know that people are the same wherever you go. There is good and bad in everyone. So we must learn to live and learn to give each other what we need to survive together alive.
Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony, side by side on a piano/ keyboard. Oh Lord. Why can’t we? Although there are more ivory keys than ebony ones and the ivory ones are bigger and in terms of usage probably more important, still they do live in perfect harmony on a keyboard. Oh Lord. Why can’t we?
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
We can! We can!
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
So being Irish means you’re calling us the pedals cos we get stood on and are downtrodden- sometimes quite a lot-you’re a pedalist, that’s what you are
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SpurredoninDubblin Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
The thing about racism is that it generally reflects on the stupidity of the racists. One example would have been the Lazio supporters, who were insanely using racist abuse, while cheering on their own blck players.
Of course the ultimate irony of racist stupidity, must be the Ku Klux Klan, which is purportedly a “Christian” based organisation. Christ would never be allowed to join because he was a Jew.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
That’s the bit I cannot for life of me comprehend. Although quite a few back-when the East Stand was being refurbished, the club moved my seat to what was the enclosure. We played Charlton (c 1984-5) and Crooks scored for us..as I stood to celebrate the goal, I noticed none of those nearby me applauded or even acknowledged the goal and I just assumed they were Charlton fans..they weren’t as it happens, they just refused to celebrate a black player scoring for Spurs.
Now tell me times haven’t changed-because I honestly cannot recall anything close to that for an awfully long time? In fact of all the clubs to choose, the last club anyone with religious or racial hang -ups-would be Spurs I’d have thought?
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essexian76 Reply:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Would a non-smoking, non-drinking, A sexual, who was a little bit arty farty, drug addict-be allowed into the Nazi party?
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/tottenham/arguably-the-top-ten-terrace-heroes-at-tottenham/attachment/steffen-freund-6
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November 8th, 2012 at 12:05 am
I hate to compliment Mr Hotspur in any way but this post is spot on.
At least Peter Herbert is appropriately named
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November 8th, 2012 at 12:25 am
Shame this sbl guy didn’t have his spotters out at the Wigan game. We would have been in the clear.
Unless of course booing is a racist crime.
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November 8th, 2012 at 12:44 am
The source may be shite, but this does have some relatively interesting quotes from Thudd re: AVB and tactics etc
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/281259/?
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:08 am
Ta
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November 8th, 2012 at 1:11 am
The manager is still getting his ideas across. The lads are still getting fully used to what he wants us to do. He’s very organised. A lot of his sessions are on a quite rigid team shape whereas maybe under previous regimes the initiative was given to players to express themselves.
“Under this manager it’s more his ideas and we have to stick to them. Every boss has his own ideas. We’re probably harder to beat now. We’re not as open.
“There have been a couple of games recently where we need to create that little bit more.
I absolutely believe that.The problem is,that truth is somewhere between the grey obtuse thinking of Harry and the Black and White (Im projecting here) of AVB
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Players HAVE to play with emotion,they also have to have a some substance,a plan and a focus.
I hope the pendulum ends up at the right spot
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:22 am
I’d settle for Brad ending up in the right spot during a corner!
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I.e., on the bench.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
just aye
November 8th, 2012 at 3:04 am
is the melcyid banned yet?
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:23 am
To be banned you have be once
allowed ??!!
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November 8th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Can PC go mad? Well, yes it can when form is elevated over substance; when we pander to those eager to take offense when none was intended or offered. The best example of this was back in the 90s when a white male employed as an aide to the black mayor of Washington, D.C., used the word “niggardly” in reference to a budget. Now this word means” stingy” or “miserly”, and is related to “niggling”, meaning “petty” or “unimportant”. Anyway, it’s an old timey, but perfectly legit word when talking about budgets and funding.
Well, a black colleague of the aide was upset by this word being used and thought it was a racial slur. It’s not, but because it sounded like a very bad word, the aide came under public pressure and was forced to resign.
So yeah, using a valid, non-offensive word, which sounds a bit like a bad word, losing a fella his job seems to me like PC run wild.
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:29 am
Good example ….. total insanity!
The whole world is in fear of offending itself (which more than not actually results in genuinely offending someone – or some poor guy losing their job)….
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Have you seen this video?
Is it racist? I don’t know, but it cracks me up every time. The awkward silence is priceless.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 7:13 am
I remember that too. It’s a pity sanity didn’t prevail at the time and the exact meaning wasn’t explained to everybody. All the unpleasantness could have been avoided. The word niggardly has faded somewhat from the lexicon. In Wagner’s Das Rheingold in the original translation of the text the word appeared in the English translation of the fire god Loge’s observations to Wotan when he says “Mich kummert’s minder; an mir ja kargte Freia von je”, (It troubles me less; Freia was always niggardly with me). Later recordings have however, replaced the word with “stingy”. Interestingly though, the word still is valid in spell check, unlike it’s human counterparts,it has no problem with the word.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Daniel Levy is so niggardly.
Now SURELY I’m being racist…?
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:18 am
I’d say that such a case isn’t the fault of PC so much as old-fashioned human stupidity. That nobody managed to intervene for common sense is the real failing.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Yes, incredible stupidity seems to have been at the heart of that particular issue. Still the “PC gone mad” people never miss an opportunity,do they?
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Yes, and it seems that people are still hungry for more tall tales. Looking around the internet it seems that the ‘green bin bag’ story is a well known load of old crap that was made up by hacks to entertain this crowd. As are indeed many of the ‘PC Gone Mad’ stories. More bogus PC Gone Mad stories here for anyone who wants to check their facts:
http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/pc
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I remember really loving Till Death Do Part and Alf Garnett.Not because he was a racist but the fact that the subject could be joked about…..showing this bloke who was really at odds with the culture of the time…It was in the 60′s and the world was going to change…
I watched one of those videos again and was absolutely shocked about the content.Unbelievable.
I mean I hate arsenal supporters (even the jewish ones) and thats why I like the term yid for us although I understand the problems.But society was never kind to minorities when the economy was down apart from in Russia where they got rid of any differences to the Gulags and in Nazi Germany where it still boggles my mind.
I thought sport took over from these problems by pitting rival against rival safely for the most part on the field…while the terraces became worse….
Dont know if anyone read or saw Pillars of the Earth where the other village reguarly attacked another village….I guess we havent come that far…wheres that fcuking war paint……
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
AVB safe at Tottenham?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_DVHUEjnuU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldZhlTc8k_E
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SpurredoninDubblin Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
When you think about it, the aide should have been sacked for being so stupid. I don’t see why Seattle had to explain the word, because it is in common usage.
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November 8th, 2012 at 3:44 am
Anyway HH on a serious note, my logo has changed from something that resembled a purple play doh poo dropped from a 737, to something that resembles a green play doh poo dropped from the hubble space station with an unfortunate case of diorreah and a pair of wings.
Does this mean that I am no longer the absolute bottom of the pile, Am I now one off the bottom of the pile?
PS What level do I get chisled looks, wash board stomach and a couple of ‘extra inches’ (the wife was asking)?
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am
You must be using machine in a different location.
I suggest you ask the guy in the next cell if you were transferred in recently.
PS if you want an inch chiseled you need to speak to your Rabbi.
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BrisbaneSpur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
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November 8th, 2012 at 7:52 am
Could we play the Celtic way
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Maybe we could if our fans got behind the side at home like Celtic’s did-we always used to you know?
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November 8th, 2012 at 8:17 am
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/11/08/3511347/-
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Great article. Top journalism. I especially love the one and only quote, which in no way shape or form substantiates the claim being made. The complete lack of any sources whatsoever, not even the made up kind, is also good.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Hahahha. Super comment.
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November 8th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Nobody expects the Society of Black Lawyers.
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November 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Can anyone confirm if Jermaine Defoe is, indeed, a Yiddo?
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am
No, but some dodgy women can allegedly.
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November 8th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I’ve just tweeted the SBL, demanding that they cease using the B-word in their name, or I will take legal action.
I think that should settle this whole debacle…
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:05 am
But that doesn’t make any sense. Ah well, not the first time, won’t be the last I suppose.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I know it doesn’t. In my opinion it makes exactly as little sense as them insisting we stop using “YID” in our chants, or they’ll sue the club. That was the point.
Black is racist when used by racists. Yid is racist when used by racists. Take the racist out of the equation and they’re just words.
I realize it’s sarky, not constructive, and purile, and it’s never going to get them to see the error of their ways. But it sure felt good
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Apart from the brown shirt,nazi ingignia and heil hitlers how do you know if someone is a racist?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
ingignia?
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Without context, you don’t.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
that was @ Mr. Wolman
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Can sarcasm be racist?
what about descriptions of people?
a) He was a black bastard
b) he was Black
Where do you draw the line?
LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Pretty clear
a. racist, because the use of the word black is not to describe the ‘bastard’ but to add emphasis to it and embellish the insult. Unless you are talking about a literal bastard child, and describing them, that is.
b. descriptive, simple.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Ok then what about
a) He is a yid bastard
b)he is a yid
People used to mention ‘jew me down’ as derogatory even though scots do it more than my yids….that is all except Daniel the Great One
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I’ve definitely many times called black friends “you black bastard”, when they were being a bastard. They didn’t think I was being a racist, probably because they know I’m not a racist.
Someone overhearing this might certainly be offended by this. But that also would not make it racist.
So I don’t really think you can go so far as to say that saying “he was a black bastard” is neccessarily racist. It certainly CAN be racist, though (“I’m going to kill him”…”Why?”…”He was a black bastard”). But whether something is racist or not doesn’t depend on which words were used or not. You can easily be racist without using any racist ‘buzzwords’ (“I believe anyone who isn’t white should be burned in a gas chamber”).
As I said, it all depends on the context. In fact, that’s not even it. It depends on the intent. And intent is very difficult or impossible to judge objectively.
It’s certainly can be a tricky issue, but more often than not common sense is a sufficient test. A bunch of people, many of them jewish, saying “YID” as a way of deflecting and diminishing the racism of others is quite obviously not racist. The only way you could think that is if you’re some kind of black lawyer or something…
November 8th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I am deeply cynical about Peter Herbert’s motives in going public with his ill-judged and ill-timed remarks on racism at White Hart Lane.
Firstly; as the second generation mixed race immigrant myself, I can assure you that racism is a very broad subject and affects people of different ethnic origins and cultures in different ways. Racism is not black and white. To simply lump every ethnic group together and an attempt to paint them with the same brush, not only demonstrates a complete miss understanding of the matter but is also offensive and dare I say it … racist. We know that the ‘N’ word is an ugly word intended to incite and offend and that it has no place anywhere in today’s Britain. But it’s not the same word as ‘Yid’. There is a difference. The Yids at White Hart Lane are not horrified by its use and do not need a man with a racist view of racism to tell them that they should be offended.
This proposed Mary Whitehouse stance on racism will only make things worse and turn the whole issue into a joke. Getting this issue so wrong is a cringing embarrassment. No steps forward, two steps back. Peter Herbert should take his fight to the inner cities where he can make an actual difference to those who will benefit the most and gain a proper understanding into what racism actually is and how it affects people. Interfering with people who want to watch a football match in the same way that they have for years is nothing more than a cheap publicity stunt for which he should be ashamed.
The Premiership is the most lucrative domestic league in the world and offers those who can hang on to its coattails a high reward in terms of money, kudos and publicity. Where Peter Herbert has failed to make the grade in intelligence he has made up for exposing himself as shameless publicity seeking puffed up ambulance chaser.
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I agree with you Cheeky. Except I don’t think what Herbert’s saying is itself racist, can’t see any basis for that claim, just ill-advised, missing the point and very likely simply opportunist headline seeking. None of which will serve to do anything for the cause of getting rid of racism in football or elsewhere.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 11:45 am
One might even say,PC gone mad!
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melcyid Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
mary whitehouse has nothing to do with it she is was just against that smutty benny hill
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I love the Yid word attached to Tottenham but I also know the pitfalls.
Once you use something in one way (endearable,humourous etc) then its difficult to apply the law to anyone who is using it negatively and there becomes more grey areas about context.
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November 8th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Gutted to see our trio included in the England squad as it appears the minute that happens their form for us goes titties-up!
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Too late for Kyle then.
Seriously though, I also hate it when any of our players get picked for them, especially Lennon. We had a good couple of years where everyone thought he wasn’t good enough which suited me fine, but now Woy has brought him back in…
Strangely, I don’t mind quite as much with our other internationals. Perhaps my disrespect for the England national side is another case of PC Gone Mad?
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Walker will learn (eventually), to adapt to the adulation he’s had over the past year.
Most of the plaudits are unfounded and based mainly on his forward play rather than his defensive duties, as most Spurs fans will know-but from his own perspective-I’d have thought all joking aside-it’s a difficult lifestyle change for him as well. Lennon however always seems to dip the moment his England squad place is assured-and it pisses me off to no end
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I’d take it even further and say that a lot of the adulation stems not from his forward play in general, but from THAT goal against Le Arse.
LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I always thought the hype over Walker was pretty weird. He wasn’t that good last season. I guess the media gets excited about any young English player who emerges, and if they can run fast it gets people extra excited.
His main asset was and still is being able to get up and down his side of the pitch really quickly. I think he needs almost as much coaching on his attacking play as his defensive side though, as often he runs forward and runs into a defender and stops, passes sideways, backwards etc, losing the momentum his pace created in the first place.
Not writing him off – he’s 22 after all. But I think he is some way off a really good right back.
essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
And the free kick of course-but again it sort of reflects the media and Sky wanting to elevate anything noteworthy as ‘World Class’ instead of just plain good
November 8th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
The write-up on the Spurs website about our U-19 victory last night contained this gem of a quote from Alex Inglethorpe:
“We spoke about the ‘what-ifs’ at half-time and the key thing was that we didn’t want to limp over the line, we didn’t want to be hanging on at 2-1 and praying for the referee to blow the final whistle.”
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Can we get him to do the half-time talk for the first team?
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Given what he’s done with the young ‘uns over the past few years I’m wondering if there are any plans to give him a more senior role at some time in the future.
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LLL Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Him and Sherwood can arm-wrestle over it.
essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
That’ll be Parker’s job soon enough
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Didn’t the ‘Media’ report that Inglethorpe had left us for Liverpool over the weekend?
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November 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
It is shameful that Herbert and Baddiel before him, are using this whole subject to boost their own profiles and that of their respective projects….I was brought up in West Yorkshire in a Leeds United stronghold and was known through the mid 70′s to the early 80′s as ‘YID’. I put up with it then to escape brutal beatings but now aged 47 embrace it, and couldn’t be prouder to call myself it….BIOYC!
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Same here-only I call myself a ‘Proper Yid’ as I actually came from the area-and qualified through FIFA’s residency rules
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Hartley Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
You…bad yid,
Me….good yid…
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essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Oh, yeah Harts, me very bad Yid- Oivey!
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
me: All Star Yid!!!!!
essexian76 Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Ronnie,I’ll give you 5 as Monica used to say
November 8th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
No Moussa like Good Moussa
Is it so crazy to play him as a striker????
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/tacticsandanalysis/id/356?cc=5901
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November 8th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
So what would Herbert say if there was a Society of White Lawyers?
I say this because my Mum worked for Enfield Council for 30 years where a Black Workers Group was formed. When she asked if she could join these meetings she was told no because she wasn’t black. She than asked what would they think if a White Workers Group was created. She was told this would be rascist! To really compound things further a rule was passed (subsequently abolished) by Enfield Council that you couldn’t ask for Black Coffee it had to be Coffee without milk as a request for black coffee may be regarded as an insult.
I don’t know about the rest of you but all my black mates hate being called coloured but what does that matter as long as the knobs (am I allowed to say that) are heard and have their Andy Warhol time
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November 8th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I watched a doc on Racism in football a couple of months back and heard John Barnes suggest that the reason there were so few black managers was due to racism. It seems to me that it is almost the “holy grail” to find a successful manager, and it is almost incomprehensible that a club is going to say, “Great manager. What a shame he is black”. Of course what Barnes failed to mention in his interview, was his indifferent spell at Celtic, which must be one of the best jobs in world football in a team that is almost guaranteed to win something every year.
Similarly, when Paul Ince was sacked by Blackburn, he hinted at racism. Hands up all those whon think that Rovers didn’t realise he was black before they offered him the job.
Is it any wonder that “alleging racism” is often seen as a crutch for those who are not up to the job, as well as a crutch to beat any white man with.
So here we have the SBL, which by definition is a racist org, lecturing us on racism, when the only Jew that I have heard complain, fails to castigate the hissing made by his fellow Cheatski fans. At the same time time we have a Jewish Chairman who has gone so far as to explain the club’s position and is apparently not in the least bit offended.
I am no Lawyer, but I read the club statement on this, and it appears to me that they have correctly interpreted the law and the word is not being used by us with intent to give offence. Just in case that needs to be clarified, it is not illegal (as an example) to use the word “nigger”, but it is illegal to call someone such.
Given this, one wonders if the SBL will follow through with their threat to complain to Plod? Assuming that my understanding of the law is correct, then the Police will not prosecute, and no doubt the SBL will say that this is due to institutionalised racism on the part of the Met.
The SBL are also calling for Clattenberk to be be suspended pending investigation. Personally, I think he should have been suspended by a rope around his neck following his handling of games of us against Manure, but that’s another issue. Clattenberk is paid only for the games he referees, so if he is suspended and later cleared of the allegation, he cannot be recompensed. That is one of the reasons why we have the presumption of innocence.
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November 8th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
haha this is hilarious!
i told you idiots this would happen when you all jumped on the terry bandwagon and now the society for BLACK lawyers are coming for our club! you should be ashamed of yourselves for selling out to this whole multicultural ultra liberal society that doesnt cover white british people. LLL, billy ligit and harryhotspur, seemed to make me out as a clueless idiot when i said all of these things a couple weeks ago and now its at our own doorstep, dickheads!
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Mabelode The Faceless Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I really don’t think the people you mentioned need to point you out as a clueless idiot…
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ldn hackney Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Yeah because what they say is scripture to small minded idiots like you who can’t think for yourself and have your own opinions. Why don’t u meet me on the high road tonight and I’ll take u for a local tour if u ain’t too scared to walk around tottenham at night?
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Is the EDL website down or something?
November 8th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
As usual if u don’t agree with the multicultural pc brigade then your a racist! Can u not come up with anything better than that harryhotspur? Why don’t u meet me outside the ground tonight and call me a racist to my face? Of course not because u wouldn’t have a face left posh boy.
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Mabelode The Faceless Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
As opposed to not having a brain left?
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November 8th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Following on from Seattle Spur’s post on “Niggardly”, I found this on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22
After having read this, I was so amazed at the various employers reactions that I wondered what would happen if I ask an American, “What time is the bus due?
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November 9th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
2 points on this.
1st, I just want to read about football, this Herbert sounds like he could start a row on his own in a phone box. We are not the perpetrators in this, it is the other scum who try and intimidate using the Yiddish phrase in an aggressive manner.
And 2. David Baddiel. I unfortunately look like him when I have a beard. Baddiel, if you read this, please also report in the media what you intend to do about your supporters making hissing sounds, throwing coins and making monkey impersonations. Oh and I take it your next stand up show will feature no Jewish jokes?
This guy is so hypocritical.
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November 10th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
It’s clear that the ‘F.B.L’ are trying to deflect accusations of the whole idea of a black players union being divisive and as a result ‘racist’ in excluding anyone who isn’t black. This is a lame attempt to try and give the impression that a black player’s union would be in some way inclusive and campaign on behalf of all forms of racism. In which case why would you make it a ‘Black Union’?
Being jewish is not a race it is a religion for a start so i would expect the Black Player’s union to also take up the cause of sectarian chants from both sides at Old Firm games with the same amount of enthusiasm. This IS used to offend and is aimed at the opposition fans, which is the opposite of what Spurs fans do for a start!!
The whole idea being put forward would only define differences rather than break down prejudice and put a clear line in the sand between ‘Black’ issues and anything and everything else that could be seen as offensive to anyone and everyone else who isn’t ‘black’.
This could include other large groups of players including; Jewish, Asian, Gay, White, Redhead, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Hindu, Italian, French, Irish, Scottish etc, etc, etc!!
The world is far too diverse to start a Union who’s membership is dependant on being from ANY group, ethnic or otherwise.
It’s a classic example of jobs-for-the-boys for the people setting it up, and it does not surprise me that lawyers might be looking at the work that could come their way from setting such a body up.
Let’s face it, lawyers will represent a serial killer with no hope of winning, so long as they get paid… I would treat the whole thing with a large amount of suspicion, it will do nothing to help black players at all but of course it may well line someone’s pocket!!
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