Posted on Tuesday, 27th November 2012 by Harry Hotspur
Good evening.
I read this article run in the Guardian written by Peter Honkyslayer Herbert and my first thought was to blog an open letter to him. But just about all I wanted to say had been said on here. And in the some 150 plus comments that responded to him on the paper’s website at the footer of his piece.
So I got his email from his website and sent a request to interview him. The email bounced back a day later with the message, ‘The recipient server did not accept our requests…’
What I wanted to address with Mr Herbert specifically one particular wild assertion (of many) that he made.
The link between the appalling incidents in Rome and the “Y” word chanting is obvious. The chanting of the word simply legitimises antisemitic abuse by other fans.
The abysmal truth is not as simple and as cartoon like you imply Mr Herbert. It is grim, bloody and revolting. Football fans were drinking the night before a game in a civilised manner. The patrons of the bar they were in were not exclusively football fans. The Drunken Ship is situated in a popular area attracting tourists and locals alike.
Prior to the attack neither the owner or the staff had cause for complaint, no unruly behaviour reported.
What happened next was an unquestionably premeditated, well organised and quite sinister an attack on people who were guilty of no more than ‘having a beer’.
The men that stormed The Drunken Ship bar were armed to the teeth. Baseball bats, sticks and knives. They were wearing helmets and had scarves wrapped about their faces to partially obscure their identity and were pumped up to do physical harm to those in the bar.
The result of the attack hospitalised several people. It seems safe to say at this stage that at least a couple will carry the physical scars of that night for the rest of their lives.
You say the link is obvious yet crucially fail to explain how so. I want you to explain to me how the use of the Y word, in the context of ownership, identity and pride is responsible for a men being scarred for life?
You also mention Mr Baddiel in your piece. I heard him interviewed when he launched his ‘Y Word’ campaign some time ago. He said that was specifically inspired by an incident at Stamford Bridge where a man in the Chelsea end sat behind Mr Baddiel stood up and violently screamed, ‘F___ off you Yid C___!’ towards the Tottenham supporters.
What both these incidents establish beyond any doubt is that the problem is racist scum are frequently incapable of controlling themselves.
It is no great extension of your logic that those seeking align themselves with anything racists don’t like ought to try to ‘blend in’ and not provoke trouble. I read about people being asked to ‘blend in’ during the 1940′s. My grandfather’s response was to repeatedly drop bombs on the ones doing the asking and thanks to his efforts and millions of like minded others that ‘blending in’ idea was cancelled.
You have been accused relentlessly of being a self publicist. You have been widely perceived as a conspiracy theorist. Your email doesn’t work and judging by the pictures on your typo ridden website you only own one suit and one sports jacket. I would suggest to you that while you might have decent ideals at heart, all people are seeing is a man desperately looking for a career springboard but you cannot see that this is not it, Mr Herbert.
A CCTV image football fan singing racist songs on a train was published today in the Evening Standard. Another football fan has been identified from a picture taken a game this weekend of posturing like a monkey towards a black player. The investigation into fans singing about Hitler on Sunday continues.
What is tragic is that whilst it would be unfair to assert that football is inherently racist it absolutely does have a racist element that nevertheless need urgently tackling. But you seem woefully incapable of spotting the bad guys.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
FIRST
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
First?
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Mark Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Third is 1st, you are not Arsene Wenger by any chance!
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Of course he is incapable, he is one of the bad guys. The Society of Black Only No Whites Allowed lawyers promotes segregation and racism by it’s very name.
If he can’t figure that out how is he going to figure anything else out?
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
“He’s a right Herbert”
4th
Harry’s “Hoopy Army” bludgeoned by the mighty Wunderland at home. Grim Reaper stalks Harold as he line sup an OBE for Services to Corruption and Looking like a Bassett Hound
QPR Motto “Victory shall elude, dignity shall surprise us, and Fernandes is skint”
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Mark Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
That’s the trouble with expecting to be in the top 4, it doesn’t always go to plan.
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East Stand Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:02 am
It was 0-0, who got bludgeoned? I’m not with you…
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Look at the time Sid posted.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
He is a sad sad little man that happens to live in his own little World of make believe, if he was a true crusader he would deal with the important issues of football racism and get his facts right. Come on you Yiddos.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Honkyslayers! HH, Did you ever watch love thy neighbour
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Mark Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Great program.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
I always thought that they were just instructional programs like The Green Cross Man ads
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koko61 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Then they made a realistic programme with Alf Garnett, till death us do part.. Brilliant actor.
Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I watched an episode of that show a while back. I don’t remember it growing up, but my wife does. I have to say that I absolutely hated it. Good riddance to that drivel and any other ‘entertainment’ like it.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
The writer Johnny Speight, always said he wrote it for the sole purpose of highlighting bigotry-and actually making Garnett the fool that he was-In the same way Love Thy Neighbour did, because I cannot think of a single episode where ‘Honky’ got one over the black guy, but as a little kid-there was one Spike Milligan sit-com called Curry and Chips-and that was so bad it was taken off the air-but I was too young to understand it TBH
November 27th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
God knows where all my emails from the millions of pounds PPI people owe me apparently will go!! as my name here is first part of my email address. I digress however as I was just wondering when Peter Herbert will write to Kanye and Jay Z et al and asking them to change titles of their big tunes to ‘ Afro-Carribeans in Paris’ and, well you get the point. The man is a fool.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
The guy is a self serving deluded idiot. And while I’m sure he’s well meaning, all he is doing is alienating the same football fans he’s looking to influence.
He’s using a very serious incident for his own means, and considering some of these guys are still in a serious/critical condition in hospital, it’s beyond disgraceful. There’s no evidence what so ever, that any of the fans in the pub chanted any yid songs anyway, so his argument is completely unfounded. There is no justification for the Italian fans actions.
By the same extension of his ill-thought out, and frankly offensive argument, there shouldn’t be any black players in the premier league, as it incites racist fans to do monkey chants, or any women that gets raped are asking for it, because she went out wearing a short skirt.
Extremism of any kind, has no place in society, but these guy, in my opinion, are just as extreme as any idiot/bnp racist.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
HH, well said.
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November 27th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Top drawer
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Has anyone seen that inglethorpe has left us to join Pool
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Hartley Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Can you repeat that please?
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
You cheeky monkey you.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I posted that about week or so ago-I’m really surprised as Alex has been with us for ages-and has a proven record in bringing the kids through. Given the expenditure on Bulls Cross, I’d have thought keeping one of the main men would’ve been a number one priority?
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Has anyone seen that inglethorpe has left us to join Pool?
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I’m sending that one off to Bletchley Park.
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
The guy’s a menace.
With racism on the rise, Peter Herbert decides to focus on the one example that isn’t racist at all. What utterly poor judgement.
It’s now reached a point where he appears to be more interested in building his own name than furthering a particular cause. He wants to be known. He wants to get better seats at the restaurant. Preferential treatment from his peers. And this absurd cause celebre is his means.
If he’s the SoBL’s top man, well, forgive me if I seek representation elsewhere.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
For a lawyer-as you say,he’s chosen the wrong hobby horse. If he’d been a clever lawyer-he should have emphasized the fact as to why Spurs fans chose the title and focused his attention on those who hurl the abuse, but again it wouldn’t have got the coverage I guess…or is that cynical of me?
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I made a diatribe on DML, and I will re-post it here for the benefit of all.
What Peter Herbert insinuates with these comments is that the cause of this anti-Semitic abuse is due to the mere existence of Jewish Tottenham fans. And what would Mr. Herbert suggest, that Tottenham sever ties with its historically Jewish support? That the fans be forced to adopt a new culture and be ignorant, just because they may be the target of anti-Semitic abuse? Not only is this ideologically counter-productive, but it is both quite anti-Semitic and ignorant.
And on another note, Judaism is not a race. It is an ethnicity at most, and both terms to describe those of the Jewish faith is politically correct. And I say this being Jewish myself. To say Judaism is a race would be to generalize a group of people based on their religion. And that is what we would call prejudice/racist/ignorant/bigoted/, or whatever term loosely defined.
As for me, I am both proud and honored to be a Jewish Tottenham supporter. I have been for years, and I will until I perish. I will proudly say that I am of the Yid Army, and I will stand with anyone else – be it black, white, Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Buddhist, or any other – who makes up the Army of the club that I love.
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East Stand Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:23 am
Judaism is a religion not a race and as you say an ethnicity at most.
To me the whole discussion is so littered with poorly thought out generalisations about this thing called ‘racism’ by people who mainly say whatever they think the world should hear. They ignore all the vagaries that go along with putting large groups of human beings into convenient little boxes marked this or that.
Look at the Old Firm in Glasgow, you basically aren’t allowed to support one or the other based on the faith you were born into. It’s part of the identity of both clubs to exclude another group of people. What does Mr Sherberts intend to do about that then?
In India, they consider people of lower class to be ethnically different from people with more wealth and you can never marry out of that class. My point is, bigotry exists everywhere on all sorts of different levels and you can only really stamp it out where it spills out into offending others and in a society like ours that can and has the resources to deal with it. Black people can be racist towards whites and it happens. Do you ever see any of that end up in court etc? It’s almost so complex that if feel my head’s going to explode!! I’ve had enough already!!
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
and again, politically “incorrect”
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I also noticed that this prick only has 1 suit…..perhaps the ‘Society of people with more than 1 suit’ should make an official complaint about him to the met..
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Maybe he owns lot’s of suits, but as he’s colour blind he doesn’t know they’re all the same ?
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Maybe he has hundreds of suits that all look the same. It’s a colour thing. He just wants to blend in.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Oh ,I see Stevo..like Where’s the Wally?
Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
What about his birthday suit?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
trust you-the naked truth as always
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Talk about bare faced cheek E76.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
it’s bum wrap Spurstacus
Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
A bum wrap? Does that go over or under a fanny pack?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
That’ll be which side of the pond you dress on?
November 27th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
If Peter Herbert’s goal was to get him and his organisation known then he has been hugely successful. However, if his goal was to get him and his organisation to be known and widely recognised as being a credible legal force he has failed spectacularly. This new business drive has left his legal credentials in tatters – who would choose this fame-hungry lightweight to represent them in their matters of the law?
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Hartley Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
The shoe bomber did….just sayin
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melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:20 am
the shoe bomber would like to have killed Jews.
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I am a dogs arses enthusiast.
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I hope you spell and grammar checked that puppy before you sent it Mr H ;P
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November 27th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
I do despair at attempts to disappear a word, any word, from human consciousness. I do think however, that now this argument is out there, it wont ever go away and eventually everyone bar the most outrageous attention seeking nutcases, will become very conscious of saying it and it will disappear. It’s what the Spammers have been saying they’ve done to the Greek community for years that goes unnoticed though, isn’t it Mr Herbert?
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November 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Just wondering-as a lawyer-is he actually any good?, what I’m thinking is many such people, make up an issue or magnify it’s importance-start up an organization, which then charge a fee to join-I’m guessing a they’re lawyers,it’ll be a few bob-and hey-presto-you’ve got an income, you’ve got celebrity-and a job you’re better at than the one your’e not-if you catch my drift?
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
He’ll be on “Daybreak” soon as the celeb lawyer giving advice. Like that doctor on there with the girls name.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
He’s been a regular on HNC, (for those who are not aware, that’s Harry’s News Channel, formerly Sky Sport News)
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I’ve got an HNC back in the days when it meant something. I could have had an Ology but for light and bitter.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
The one that looks like Meg Ryan?
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November 27th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
where will it all end
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
At the finish line I spose.
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Steveo1987 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
In the year 2525.
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hoofing Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 7:29 am
When our species loses the ability to kill each other.
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November 27th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Dembele and Sandro fit for tomorrow, Parker ready in 2 weeks, only leaves BAE and Kaboom on the poorly list.
Thank you Santa.
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Luke Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Hopefully benny will be back in a couple of weeks as well. COYS
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November 27th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Benny the Ball…he’s a top cat.
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November 27th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
If memory serves, this bloke said `we`re trying to change a culture here`. Only a deluded fool would suggest he could change a culture.
I also recall he said words to the effect of `This may have been acceptable 50 years ago, but not today`. Yes, that`s right Herbert, it was ok to abuse jews whilst the holocaust was still fresh in the mind. What is this fool on?
On Sunday, the Met obliged in arresting West Ham fascist thugs for their antics, thereby making the distinction between what is acceptable and what is not. And WHUFC backed them up with life bans. Let`s hope this did not escape the attention of Herbert.
It`s encouraging to read on West Ham blog sites so many of their supporters airing their embarassment at the scum element. All these factors might hopefully blow Herbert and his S.O.B lawyers out of the water.
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November 27th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
if somebody had started the society of white lawyers peter Herbert would have accused them of being racist. go figure!
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melcyid Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I wonder if Mr Herbert has called his wife a silly moo lately.
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November 27th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
you are so wrong, so completely wrong and mr herbert is so completely right. i live in the united states, in new york which happens to have the largest jewish population of any city outside of israel. it also has a huge african-american population, one of the largest in the north-east. here, no-one would think of uttering either the Y-word or the N-word in public because of the reasons cited by mr herbert. using either word serves mostly to legitimise them and allows racists the excuse to use them in the most violent way, both rhetorically and potentially physically as well. it is widely accepted in the US and in NYC especially that the only people who are entitled or allowed to use the words are jews in the case of the Y word or african-americans in the case of the N word. but the conditions of use are, by an informal social agreement, very limited. for instance it is okay for jews in the sole exclusive company of fellow jews to use the Y word and the same applies to african-americans. it is also acceptable in the appropriate theatrical context, for instance in a drama or comedy. these however are limited circumstances. neither group, however, would ever contemplate shouting or singing their words in public and especially not to answer or provoke an identifiable group of racist opponents, which is what you do and claim the right to do. the bar on others, non-members of either group, using those words is such that anyone outside those groups using either word would be subject to immediate sanction. for instance i have heard racists on phone-in shows trying to use the words and almost before they have finished speaking they have been taken off air. that is what happens when you have such strict social rules, the use of racial language becomes unacceptable. what you are suggesting as acceptable behavior has the effect of making it acceptable for racists like those from WH to shout racist insults. after all if you do it to yourselves how can you complain when others do it? i would go further and say something that has so far gone unspoken and that is that i suspect that some of you are being deliberately provocative, that you are actually looking for a fight with such people because what you are doing is throwing down gauntlets at them when you should be ignoring them. you are in effect legitimising their racism and legitimising the violence that can flow.
i have one more point to make and it is this. i am not a jew. i am an irish atheist. when you sing ‘proud to be a Y person’, what am i supposed to sing, because i can’t sing that as i don’t qualify? what you are doing here is to say that to be a spurs fan you have to be jewish. that is wrong and in its way bigoted. i have every right to be a spurs fan but in a way you are excluding me. that is wrong. and it also plays straight into the hands of racists like those at west ham who taunt you and spurs for being a jewish team when in fact anyone and everyone is entitled to support spurs. i’ll wager you this. when you go through the turnstiles for a match the guy collecting your money doesn’t ask you your religion or ethnic origin before letting the turnstile spin. does he?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 27th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
OK, too long to read-but I get the gist-so,perhaps if we all just cried, whimped out and cowered, therefore becoming victims-perhaps we’d get the sympathy vote?-as opposed to turning the situation in order to make those hurling the abuse look more stupid? Listen up-we didn’t call ourselves Yids-it was a name foisted upon us because of the area and where a lot of our support came from back in the day, we just took it up-embraced it as our own-as if to say ‘Fuck you-you wanna call us Yids-well we are-and damned proud to be called a Yid-and do you know what? From now on a Yid,Spur or Lilywhite,who cares-we don’t! I’m North London born Irish-Atheist, and I’d never dream of calling a Jew a Yid, unless he was a Spurs supporter of course!
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ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:54 am
no, i am not suggesting you wimp out, just to use your brains. clearly a big ask.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Use my brains-is that the best you’ve got?
melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:01 am
dont be so precious.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Fat nasty greedy Hobbitses.
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moe Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Ed,
you`re a bit wide of the target mate.
The `yid army` of London N17 are a football following, a large majority of whom are not jewish.
I can tell you that over the past 40 years Tottenham supporters have been far removed from angels and have produced vile chants against Sol Campbell, Bobby Moore, Arsene Wenger etc. Please don`t be fooled by recent press into thinking that we are over sensitive souls. For decades we have enjoyed cruel banter with rival fans, particularly from other London clubs.
But lyrics such as `Spurs are on their way to Belsen, Hitler`s gonna gas em again` and `I`ve never felt more like gassing the jews when West Ham win and Tottenham lose` are way beyond the realms of common decency. It is not as jews but as human beings that we take offence at this pure filth.
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moe Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:33 am
And to sum up how pathetic the WH fans are – their club is based in an extremely multi cultural society. The east end of London was flattened on a nightly basis for many years by hitler`s bombs during WW2. They belong in the second tier of English football, where they can form a huge scum pond with the likes of Millwall Leeds and Cardiff.
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ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:56 am
and southern racists who lynched blacks were mostly poor dirt farmers eking out a subsistence living. that’s how it works.
ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:00 am
to moe – i rather think the distinction has been lost both on the media and WH/Lazio fans. the idea that you grant legitimacy to other peoples’ racism by deferring to their hatred is beyond me, i’m afraid. as i said earlier, i suspect you’re spoiling for a fight. do that and you’ll lose the war. you’ll have one good night in the pub afterwards but the next morning you’ll be seen in the same light as the WH/Lazio scum.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:10 am
When our own club’s chairman, whose a pretty shrewd cookie and Jewish,I think? can see and know the difference in context-yet you can’t-how have we lost anything?it’s about what we as Yids (that’s a Spurs supporter for the ignorant among you)think, not some fool capitalizing on non-cause, trying to get people like you who have no understanding of history or facts of the matter-would you mind awfully if we call ourselves Lilywhite, because another of your countryman assumed that also had racial overtones?
Hartley Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:14 am
You call yourself ed but yet every sentence is short of a capital letter which you only use to highlight the y word, the n word New York City and West Ham? Are you Pherbert in disguise? I’m not a Jew, I’m a YID, a lifelong member of the YID Army. I’m proud to call myself a YID as I grew up in West Yorkshire in the 70′s as a Tottenham Hotspur fan being called YID every day of my life by Leeds and Manure scum (most of them family
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I’m also a big fan of playing the ball and not the man but you sir are a cunt…..
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borisjohnsonstonsils Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:35 am
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:03 am
I just spat…in a good way of course
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onedavemackay Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:19 am
I am a Spurs supporting Jew.
This is all about context.
If someone calls me a dirty fucking Yid I know they don’t mean it as a term of endearment.
However, the history of the Yid army goes back to the seventies or maybe even earlier when Leeds and Chelsea fans used to point at Spurs fans and shout Yids due of course to our significant Jewish support. A number of largely gentile Spurs fans adopted the term thus completely disabling opposition fans to use it as a term of abuse. It’s a bit like the film Spartacus where they all shout “I am Spartacus” it’s a statement of solidarity and as a Jew I appreciate that togetherness that oneness.
You are right you do not need to be Jewish or describe yourself as a Yid or Yiddo to be a Spurs fan it does not make you any more or less a supporter either way
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East Stand Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Please tell that to David Badiel as well, it’s something that’s lost on him… Then again he isn’t a Spurs fan is he. I give up, why do we need to justify ourselves all the time? Let’s just carry on as we always have done, let the powers that be deal with the real racists and perhaps the penny will finally drop with these thick dullards….
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:56 am
ODM I remember being at Chelsea.I think it was the late sixties when the Chelsea rabble all attacked our stand singing out the yids and coming into our stand for trouble.The song wasnt necessarily hateful but it did sow the seeds of the racism thatw as to come later with the National Front etc.
In the 70′s and 80′s it was warm and friendly to hear our boys calling ourselves the Yid Army (I admit it also had an element of yobbos)
But after suffering antisemitism in my early years in London it was heartening that Tottenham had adopted the handle ‘yids’.
The sixties that offered one world has been chipped away now with these racist bigots again.
(and we thought Alf Garnett represented a relic of a another time)
I understand Herbert’s position.But he hasnt been there and cant relate to the situation although it is a bit of a conundrum that we call ourselves Yids and that opens it up also for the negative.
Harry is right,the attacks had nothing to do with the word ‘Yids’ it was just a diabiolical anti banner that they rallied around.
Blacks call themselves Niggers at times,but I guess he doesnt mention that.
Anyway you are right in the sense that its about context. But anti semites dont need such nuance,they just need an excuse to use whatever it is to bring their anger to the front.Its an energy that would be better used on constructive uses than used for diabolical bigotry and its political big brother,fascism.
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ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:12 am
spartacus was never a term of racial abuse, quite the contrary. it symbolised a common humanity against oppression, something that united slaves of all races, sexual orientation and so on. you are playing the same game as the racists, implicitly accepting their right to abuse you by pretending it is a term of honor. the N word and the Y word were both devised as terms of abuse and discrimination. no matter what sophistry you employ that is undeniable. by descending to the same level as the racists you end up losing the war. all it will take is an act of violence by a spurs fan and public opinion, currently on your side, will say a plague on both houses. and in the current angry atmosphere just add a few drinks and that sort of act is very possible. think about it. i have been involved in civil rights struggles and the one thing you learn is to box clever. at the moment you’re not doing that.
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Klinsi Klinik Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Hi Ed,
I recently took a visiting work colleague of the Israeli firm I work for (I’m non practicing C of E) from Tel Aviv to the WHL game against QPR (ironic eh ?!) and when things picked up in the 2nd half a few chants of “yid army” rang out.
He asked me in the car on the way home as to what that was all about as it was his 1st time there (he doesn’t support SPURS, just loves the EPL as it is very popular over there apparently) and I explained the background.
This chap in his early 60′s was visibly moved and amazed that so many non Jewish people could take this word and use it as a sense of community and indentification as being one.
Ed, it is a fundamentally unique example in the Western world where an offensive word has been reclaimed and disarmed and used as a positive weapon in the fight against bigotry.
I wasn’t aware of the clubs Jewish connections until some 10 years ago, but I tell you this that I’m truly proud of the fact that for the most part we are very intolerant of racial and religious bigotry. You’ve missed the point my friend.
onedavemackay Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
How dare you accuse me of playing the same game as the racists.
Not only did members of my family end up in Auschwitz several were in the resistance in Belgium and one of them was brutally tortured by the Gestapo then beheaded. In the 1930s other family members fought Mosley’s black shirts and I am currently involved in a campaign to have the suspicious death of a young Jewish student who had inadvertently got involved with a far right movement in Germany properly investigated. So I think I have a little understanding not to mention experience of racism. You also cannot compare one society or country to another.
Truth is you do not know what you are talking about and have no right to lecture any of us on something you are plainly completely out of touch with.
spurious Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:45 am
Ed,
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
Edmund Burke
Chamberlain tried the appeasement route whilst Hitler’s thugs were kicking in the doors of Jews across Europe and dragging them off to death camps.
It doesn’t work.
You have to stand against tyranny, racism and bigotry are the basest forms of tyranny there are.
Spurs supporters are saying attack one of us, and you attack all of us. We are proud to be honorary Yids and feel that we are deflecting the negative use of the word and turning it into a badge of honour.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Chamberlain has been used again and again when questions come up politically about whether tyrants should be attacked or not but the question is how organized are these groups these days?
If we are just talking the fringes of tribalism its one thing but if its much more organized then its another.
The attack in Rome was a criminal matter not a political one I dont think.
I dont think the West Ham fans were part of any specific racist group but it could reach into the criminal area if there is enough hard evidence.
So no need for appeasers.Its a job for the police not the Tottenham goon squad.
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spurious Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:54 am
Ronnie,
That was in response to Ed, who suggested we ignore the bigots. Ignoring them only makes them feel validated.
I’m not suggesting we physically attack these racist cretins, just that we continue to stand together and turn their use of the word Yid from being an insult into a positive and proud unified identity.
ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:23 am
ronnie wolman speaks sense. except i would say that what spurs’ fans should be doing, and demanding that levy does as well, is that the police should act and so should the government. you cannot passively leave to the cops. policemen are inherently lazy (as well as being instinctively right-wing) and will not move unless forced to. so spurs fans should demand action and mobilise if it doesn’t happen. as well we should demand that cameron takes serious action. in my first post i wrote about the situation her in NYC where people would never use the Y or N words in public as some spurs fans suggest they should. one reason is that there are very strong racial hatred laws here. if west ham fans had behaved as they did at WHL here they would all have been prosecuted under racial hatred legislation, facing stiff penalties. spurs fans should be demanding and mobilising – i.e. marching on the streets – for similar laws in england. how much better is that than lowering to the west ham level and chanting stupid songs back. where does that get anyone. how will that stop the racism we saw on sunday? i am open to persuasion that chanting “we are the Y army’ will stop and end West Ham racism but hnestly folks, i just don’t see it!
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Ed,the point is this.There is a fine line between soccer tribalism and racism.
I am not sure how many West Ham supporters were involved but the odds are that itw as very small and the others just jumped in singing.
I agree it should be stamped out now.But its not easy to find where that line is.
Im sure the authorities are more focussed on the situation and will police it.
In the States you really dont have the same situation.The amount of supporters who come from away clubs is minimal compared to football in England. So although there is fierce rivalry,it is really not the same without the away crowd.
There is no doubt that some police officers may harbour extreme views personally but the agenda of the governments is to defend democracy and the police go along with it.
In these cases it is more difficult but if the situation persists they will get more involved.
ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:17 am
chamberlain never cared a shit about europe’s jews and neither did churchill, roosevelt or anyone else. chamberlain indulged appeasement for the benefit of england’s ruling classes, no-one else. the situation is pre-war germany is in no way comparable to what happened at WHL on sunday and if you start making such comparisons people will think you’re nuts. germany’s jews should have fought back. some did and they were helped by progressives, the same people as those who run the SBL. nonetheless there is a very nasty right-wing element in england these days. it may come to the use of violence by them and against them but we’re not there yet. what is important right now is to box clever and like it or not, lowering yourself to the same level as the west ham animals is not boxing clever.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Ed with the help of history you could conclude that the German Jews should have fought back.But the Jews in Germany didnt have the benefit of that hindsight.
When it comes to comparing Nazi Germany with a few yopbbos from West Ham I agree its a bit over the top but I do agree that these events should be looked at with the understanding that it could get out of hand if we let it be.
You both have the best intentions.There is no problem with sensible people who talk about ways to stop this diabolical nonsense.
German was a wonderful culture for thousands of years who’s people quickly bought a mad lunatics answer of a mess they had got into.
What is precious is our responsibility to hold up one of the best systems the world has ever come up with and that is our democracies,albeit as imperfect that they are.A least we know they are imperfect.All other systems believe that they are perfect.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Ah,it’s all about YOUR political view, I see? not the context or the real root cause-Nice one Mr Ed!
Frontwheeler Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
ED – You miss one point that may have saved you a lot of typing.
the gas chamber noises, songs about the holocaust, hitler chants and salutes were occuring before the spurs supporters took up the chant and applied it to themselves to deflect the use of the word being used against them (I say them because its before I started attending the lane in th 1980′s)
this was successful because as we moved into the 1990 and through to present day the occurance of anti jewish chanting declined dramatically (excpet when Mr Baddiels beloved and apparantly not at fault Chelsea played us.
It has now been raised first by Baddiel and now on a publicity seeking wave by that herbert. Now alll of a sudden we have Lazio and West ham carrying out the some of the worst most public incidents we have seen in 30 years
Yes I a blaming them. for the younger generation (such as many of those dfoing the hitler saluts on Sunday)the understanding and meaning and history behind the YID Army songs was lost it was a spurs chant and not directly related (In my opinion)as far as they were concerned to the holocaust etc. No it has been high profiled it has given an awareness to the knockle dragging brigade to use the racist context again.
Maybe that was the plan all along it could get him more work in the long run. Now the whole Human rights and shoebomber works drying up I guess he needs a new sideline (he can use some of the money to fix his website and emails)
Regardless of all the stuff Ed has said surely you tackle the open bigotted hateful and evil racism before turning your attentions on those tryi8ng to counter it whether you consider it misguided or not the intent in spurs fans use of the word is not a racist attempt or aimed at the jewish community to cause distress.
Finally Ed – you talk about open use of the N word is not the use of the word in the title of or within the lyrics of globally successful songs open or public enough and if not how can it be used more globally and what hapens if I sing along to those songs am I only alowed to do it behind closed doors in a sound proof room. Get it your argument is liberlaism gone mad, unfortuntely as great as NYC is the society of law suits has turned yoyur society into a rather mad one adnd i am concerned we are following in your misguided footsteps. excuse the typos
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the man from room five Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
I am also an Irish atheist- if you don’t believe in God, WTF are you moaning about!
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November 27th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Excellent piece Mr H; I heard The Herbert, on the radio today, saying ‘we want…’ quite who he thinks he is representing is anyone’s guess. A man who’s never watch a football match, much less received a vote from anyone. Self appointed and, self anointed. Indeed, if football didn’t have such a large following, Mr Herbert wouldn’t bother.
If you wanted a reply to your email, just imply you can get him on Channel 4 news
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November 27th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Defoe ‘stands alongside’ Radamel Falcao.
Said AVB.
interesting choice of words.
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seattlespursguy Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:13 am
What, holding his jacket?
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chiversmetimbers Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:34 am
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Defoe: Your car keys, sir.
Falcao: Why aren’t you wearing a red blazer?
November 28th, 2012 at 12:56 am
Sherbert is way out of his depth.
That’s all there is to it, he’s dug himself a hole and he obviously feels, like most lawyers, that talking more and more meaningless bollocks will solve everything and save his sorry ass. Big mouth, unqualified mouthpiece of a body that excludes others based on the colour of their skin. So he’s a racist basically then, well he is isn’t he? What else is he?
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November 28th, 2012 at 1:36 am
I wonder if Mr Herbert knows it was Jews who stood and marched for Civil rights in South Africa and Jews who marched in Mississippi against segregation.
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ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:29 am
and people with the same politics as mr herbert fought alongside jews against nazis in europe. as i understand what he says, his point is that chanting ‘we are the Y army’ is a tactical mistake, nothing else. to imply he is a bigot or an anti-semite by saying you guys are dipsticks is exactly the sort of sentiment that will lose you public sympathy. and like it or not, public sympathy is important to keep. you have it right now, don’t lose it. or maybe you’re just bursting for a fight?
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:42 am
I havent read a lot about Mr Herbert and Im not sure really where he is really coming from.I understand the problem of calling ourselves yids and opening it up to bigots and such.
But Jews have nothing to hide from.We are finished hiding.Spurs fans that call themselves yids,so what.who cares.
Are we provoking other people?
If all Tottenham supporters called themselves anything else,christian,black,catholics then what would happen?
nothing.
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melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:36 am
he comes from the school of thought of REV Jesse Jackson. REV Al Sharpton REV Wright,he must have bought a franchise.
melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:39 am
these 3 are totally anti -jewish
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Splendid stuff earlier Ronnie. The thing I love about this site is not only the banter and wit of the participants, but the genuine depth of knowledge as well. I hope Ed comes back because it’s always good to have viewpoints that dissent somewhat from the status quo. I’m watching a German production DVD of the relationship between Albert Speer and Adolf Hitler with the splendid Sebastian Koch as Speer. The terrifying thing about the film is the way that the Nazi High Command view human beings. People cease to become human beings. They become figures, a bit like doing your accountancy with the latest bank statement, juggling figures here or there. To fuel Hitler’s grandiose schemes, insane numbers of human beings are drafted in to construct the mythical designs of his demonic architecture and later arms production. The people are worked till they literally drop dead. The stark images of figures bearing the yellow star going to their deaths is something I have never forgotten from my childhood. Do try and listen to Shostakovich’s 13th Symphony (Babi Yar) which not only remembers the Jewish victims of a notorious Nazi massacre in The Ukraine but also asks the Russian People to examine their own hearts in their treatment of the Jews. I don’t think I can come up with any arguments as to why Spurs fans call themselves Yids, some of the posts on here have put the argument in a much more persuasive and positive way than I ever could. The last time I heard the word “yid” used in contempt was by a member of The National Front in Leicester, who was dressed as a “Hell’s Angel” complete with studded Swastikas on leather jacket (although I suspect minus the Harley-Davidson). That was in the mid 70′s and the word sounded foul from his mouth. I used to see this hate-filled figure at Leicester City sometimes. And the last thing I thought about him was, that what a sad throwback to the 1930′s he was, an aging fool that will die out with his medieval thinking. I hope his acolytes die out looking as sad and pathetic as him.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
These discussions are important BC,Thanks.
If the blood of Tottenham supporters can be spilled outside the confines of a football field then it should be matched by talk and understanding between people of good intentions.
What brought us wonderful cars and engineered products also gave us a kind of cold thinking when it came to humanity.Not that the system is bad but rather the way that a country’s perfectionist ideals got askewed when faced with economic hardship they became like the machines they made. I said like because they were not perfect.Take humaness out of humanity and thats what you get.
By the way I will give that Shostakovitch a listen too.BC if we were a regime you certainly would be the culture minister (anyone for a cultural revolution?)
I think that our slow version of When the Spurs..takes a lot of beating though!
I once went on a business trip to Frankfurt to an exhibition and after rented a car and went to Munich.On the way down the scenery was outstanding absolutely beautiful.The Hansel and Gretel gothic houses,the valleys,the forests.
I noticed on the map close by Munich was the town of Dachau.So I decided I would have a look on the way back..that maybe there was a plaque or a monument. What I saw made me ill. Turrets,barbed wire,smokestacks and kids playing in the area as if it was Hampton Court.
When I drove back to Frankfurt I couldnt see the buildings and the trees and the cream cakes of the small villages on the way.I could justr see the train tracks. Dachau is virtually a suburb of Munich.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
BC,by the way…..the ‘train tracks’ were obviously not in jest
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I wonder also, if Mr Herbert and Mr Ed knew that many non-Jews from the East End and NE London stood against fascism in Cable Street? As I said, why wimp out,run and cower, when you can stand up and give it right back at ‘em… it makes sleeping at night a damned sight easier
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Bravo to all those that stood up to Tyranny!!!!!
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Tyranny and Susannah?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Ronnie as you know I’m a Stamford Hillybilly- Dad was Irish (you know,Paddy, thick Irish cnut,ignorant thick Mick,Bogtrotter)Mum was French, (hairy armpit’s,Garlic eating,unwashed,Cheese-eating,sex crazed surrender Monkey) 1st Wife Jewish-you can fill them in yourself) and was actually brought up as the only non-Jew in my entire street-school dinners in a Synagogue, but I honestly never-ever heard or witnessed anything Anti-Semitic, until I moved to Dalston-and can just barely recall the Moselyites stirring things up in Ridley Market “Keep Britain White’ I think?-anyway the stallholders all started getting irate and it all kicked off-there were very few black people involved but the end result was a pretty convincing whitewash for the Ridley Market boys-none of which were Jewish either!, what’s right is right-
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Now which one was the Trannie again?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
In the east end there definately was an element.Infact some people would talk about the Jews to me and I would tell them that I was Jewish and they would say…”YOU ARE????,OH I DONT ME YOU!!!!!
and I would think who the fuck would you mean then,the man with horns around the corner that eats babies???
Playing football certainly brought out the worst in people though. I didnt know that dirty jew bastard meant ‘inside left’
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I often have a little grin on here, when the French are ridiculed-considering one of our best and most flamboyant players in recent times and hopefully our goalkeeper for a generation are both French, but hey ho-it bothers me not a jot ( say’s he with a Gallic shrug, with extended bottom lip and rolling eyes)
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
@ Ronnie-I’ve done that drive to Munich on my way to Innsbruck on many occasions-I got lost once in thick snow and ended up in a town called Wank of all places-two policeman help me out, one speaking perfect English-and must have read my mind- he said “Ya-that makes us Wankers’ he’d been studying in London for a few years and understood both the meaning and the joke, which pretty much say’s it all about context I guess.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Essex,I have been to Paris countless times.Its afantastic city.Many people talk about the Parisians negatively.I dont.I have had mostly great experiences there.I find if you try to understand the culture and are respectful generally and real,you can get on with most people anywhere in the world (NO NOT AT FUCKING CHELSEA!!!!)
But really I do like France.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
As to the car ride to Munich and back I meant it 100%.
I think though that the worst comes out in people when they have no food to eat and that is something that always needs understanding.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Same here except for Italy for some reason-I’m not keen on them and their not keen on me, perhaps I resemble Napoleon too much? …c’est la vie
November 28th, 2012 at 2:30 am
good night!
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moe Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Ed you continue to patronise by ignoring key pieces of information and continuing with your personal agenda. It is clear that this is a situation – in the context of the football connection – that you don`t quite understand. You are quick to generalise and stereotype all police officers worldwide as lazy right wingers. (if I said that makes Aaron Lennon a police officer you probably wouldn`t understand). So who are you to comment on bigots and yet hold such sweeping views?You patronise us again by suggesting that if a couple of hundred nypd were tasked with policing a crowd of 36,000 they would irresponsibly all take themselves off the street by arresting people for offensive chanting. That`s not realistic or believable. We are not quite so slow in lil ol England to swallow your inference that the USA is any more rid of racism than it ever has been. You can keep repeating yourself as much as you like, you can even raise your voice and use hand gestures, but your comments will continue to be greeted on here with collective wry grins and shakes of heads. The points you make are valid, but you are wide of the mark in this context and it is not a `one size fits all` situation. I`ll offer you this to try to assist your understanding. When meeting people the subject of football crops up and when I reveal my colours I am often greeted with `Oh you`re yid`. The conversation never touches on yom kipur, circumcision or the Gaza strip. It remains on football. I`m a Spurs fan, I`m a yid it`s inherent and your argument is simplistic in suggesting that it can be simply swept away. And hey you know what? We want to continue being the yid army. The only jewish person who has publicly taken offence to this is one David Baddiel, who uses us as a smokescreen for the continued racist bigotry that is constantly associated with his beloved, pus ridden Chelsea FC.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Way to go Mo-as they say over there
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November 28th, 2012 at 5:09 am
is it January yet?..
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November 28th, 2012 at 5:43 am
“lowering yourself to the same level as the west ham animals”
What is this ed person talking about?
I understand what anti-semitism is. However, referring to yourself as a member of the Yid army, whether you are Jewish or not,is pro-semitism, not anti.
Lawyers like Mr Herbert know enough Latin to understand the difference between pro and anti, which is why their attepmpts to muddy the waters around this issue by confusing victims and abusers seem so suspect. It suggests they are mostly interested in drawing attention to themselves.
It is possible to be pro somthing that other people are anti without lowering yourself to their level: justice, equality peace, for instance.
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November 28th, 2012 at 7:27 am
It seems Mr Herbert has never studied the arguments against him.
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:23 am
My response to Ed 2.32 When and if he wakes up
How dare you accuse me of playing the same game as the racists.
Not only did members of my family end up in Auschwitz several were in the resistance in Belgium and one of them was brutally tortured by the Gestapo then beheaded. In the 1930s other family members fought Mosley’s black shirts and I am currently involved in a campaign to have the suspicious death of a young Jewish student who had inadvertently got involved with a far right movement in Germany properly investigated. So I think I have a little understanding not to mention experience of racism. You also cannot compare one society or country to another.
Truth is you do not know what you are talking about and have no right to lecture any of us on something you are plainly completely out of touch with.
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Ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
i wondered how long it would be before someone played the holocust card. sorry mate, might work with obama & co re israel and palestine but doesn’t wash with me. argue on the basis of what happened last sunday and your response to it or shut up. and don’t dare tar critics of your stupidity with the holocaust. using that argument only reveals your intellectual poverty.
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onedavemackay Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
You have just confirmed you don’t know what your talking about.
You are pontificating on things you obviously don’t understand and you rhetoric sounds like you are the racist.
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Ed Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
and actually as an irish person i think we have a history of relations with england that eminently qualifies me to talk about racism, in fact 700 years of a history which includes a manipulated famine that cost the lives of millions of our people. but you don’t hear me trotting that out in arguments like this as you do with the holocaust. you should be ashamed of yourself.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Ed I have to tell you.That you are looking at the situation as per Sunday through a single lens
I dont see the situation one way.It is a long long conversation and not one that can be discussed in one post here.
The Holocaust is a seperate issue but shouldnt be taken lightly.
The discussion about the Israeli/Palestinian situation should be taken in all the context,not part.
Partitions of lands should be understood in all the situations,not just this one with Israel.Many lands were partitioned. Including for instance Jordan. But in the case of Israel for the arab side,because Mohamed went there is is deemed to be Muslim land. In the case of Saudi/Jordan/pakistan these lands were also partitioned,but not a word out of anyone about those even though the Jordanians killed thousands of Palestinians.
Iraqis and Syrians are killing thousands of muslims.
Its just about Israel and Jews isnt it?
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frontwheeler Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Ed are you Irish or from NYC.
I am from London and I have been persecuted by the irish more than new york Irish have by the English. Nearly got wiped out by Irish explosives in west Hampstead and Tottenham court road. It is a rediculous turn to your argument. Box clever? You dont know the meaning. You have no substance or consistency to your argument but answer with meaningless comments like box clever ( commonly used by those that are not and I am Irish (or american?).
Odm makes valid comments by way of debate you make inane replies he responds in anger you belittle the holocaust by comparing the Irish situation with the Jewish. Typical ignorant american. Cricklewood and Kilburn is not belsen
The famine was out of order but it was no holocaust you fool. Similar things happened to peasants in England and across europe throughout history as a result of aristocracy. The complicated situation in Ireland including religious differences, absentee indigenous upper classes led to atrocious conditions starvation and eventually independence.
A million Irish emigrated (somehow multiplied and became 30 million american Irish by the early 20th centuary) including to England, Scotland, Wales but they were not rounded up and ethnically cleansed. Idiot!!!!!
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November 28th, 2012 at 10:27 am
The trouble with much of this is the confusion between semantics and racism
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Kick semantics out of football!
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Lets kick Scrabble out of football.
Im thinking of making a new Footie game called Scramble and its where you can only use racist,semantic and semitic language.
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November 28th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Harry’s gonna put his arm round em
Gordon fuckin Bennett
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November 28th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I have been pro Jewish since seeing my first Yo! Semite Sam cartoon. Schmuel was a gun slinging Ashkenazi Jew that had traveled from Eastern Europe to the US to prospect for gold amongst other things. Yes he was short and often bad tempered, but he was also principled and determined and always full of fight.
If I have any reservation’s concerning him, they would stem from my own love of animals. His intense and somewhat irrational hatred of rabbits is certainly a mark against him, but cannot in all fairness I think, be attributed to his Semitic origins.
If it were not for Looney Tunes Semite Schmuel I may not be a Spurs supporter and honourary Yid today. That’s how significant he is I believe in the ongoing and ever developing understanding and acceptance of all things Jewish.
Stick that down your faggot hole Herbie.
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onedavemackay Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Love that.
I AM SPURSTACUS
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
You’ll have Jonathan Ross on your case now Spurstacus!
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melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
There are 3 things which I know of that can be describedby using the word faggot, which ilk do you mean or is it a one word fits all situ?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I can only think of 2-the meatnbally thing and the US term for homosexual-what’s the other Melc?
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
In Norwegian, a bassoon (the instrument, not the former Spurs CB) is called a faggott.
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melcyid Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
4 things!
the man from room five Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
faggots were called faggots long before faggots became fashionable- Commonly,a faggot consists of pork liver and heart minced, wrapped in bacon, with onion and breadcrumbs- yum!
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Spurstacus we all payed 20 quid to join
Please send your donation….
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
What Looney Tunes? I’da thought they’da let you in for free Ron.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
No nothing is free.
Communism,Fascism even Democracy costs.
For me I get a commission when I sign up ahderents.
Do you want the lifetime membership or just the Saturday morning matinee type???????
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
That’s All Folks
November 28th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Am I allowed to say scouse gits?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s a vast improvement on what I call them
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November 28th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I called a scouse git a scouse git the otherday,should have seen the look on his face completey floored him .First time I have seen a scouse git lost for words,absolutely no come back.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Probably not used to compliments.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
BOOM BOOM
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Is that you Basil?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Look if we can call ourselves Yids then surely the Liverpool supporters can call themselves Scouse Gits?????
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
LOL
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November 28th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
I am more than a little suspicious the I know who EDEDED is.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Maybe it needs a little more EDEDITING
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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November 28th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Maybe it’s an age thing-but I always thought of a Right Herbert to be a tough guy-not a right pillock?
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Hahaha. Stop it. Now you are being silly. Hehehe.
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November 28th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
FWIW I thought I would state for the record that I am a Jew supporting Spurs fan. The YID ting is entirely separate and almost completely irrelevant. To me that is. I would still support Spurs if the chant was ‘Om Shanti Chrishna’, and I would still support Jews if the club were run by Musselmen.
In short I support Spurs cos I like em. And I support Jews cos I like em.
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November 28th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
All I would like to add on the subject of Jews is that I wish they would hurry up and clear off back to Israel.
Don’t panic! I’m not being anti-yosemitesametic. As previously stated I am a friend to the Jew.
It’s just that the bible, (boooo), promises that the Messiah will return when G*d’s chosen people are returned to their promised land.
Then after that comes the end of the world, and
we can allsome of us can enjoy the rest of eternity with Jesus.So BIOYJC. (Last initial is for Christ).
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I thought AVB had arrived!
Im glad we didnt lose to West Ham.I would have said to him ‘What a fine messianicism you got us into’
then it came to pass….
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moe Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
I consider that a typo in the bible. I think it should read Moussa rather than Messiah?
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Heathens – Hammers?
Egyptians – Fulham?
Red Sea? Oh forget that one!
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
God’s chosen people huh?, well, I hope his team of choice start by getting relegated for the first time-
‘Never on the field of footballing conflict, has a team been so fortunate as the Arse, they’ve cheated, they’ve bribed, they’ve bored-and after a century-began to play to play the Tottenham way and still the bugger’s get away with it-It can only be divine intervention I tell ya!
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 28th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
We are the yids,God Chosen people,but look if we are chosen why havent we won the league since 1960-61?
No pagans from other clubs need apply.This is strictly an internal and eternal question
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November 28th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
“Your email doesn’t work and judging by the pictures on your typo ridden website you only own one suit and one sports jacket.”
love it H
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