Posted on Sunday, 18th November 2012 by Harry Hotspur
Good morning.
It’s funny how people’s minds work when they become anxious. The boss’ line up was naive, the changes he made a no brainer if you listen to those that don’t wish him well. After Arry’s appearance MOTD the same mob are anticipating QPR finishing 5th. And does anyone know why Arry has his arms on his seat like he’s driving a wheelchair?
If we learned much from yesterday it is that Jamie Redschnapps is a malicious toad that we need reinforcements. This was proof if it were ever needed that we did indeed get off lightly against City. Or at least some 75 minutes of of proof.
The knock on effect of players being out has been guys being played out of position and guys getting played who simply aren’t good enough. Let’s have a look at the whys and wherefores player by player and see if we can reach a conclusion that makes sense in the bit under Villas-Boas’ snap.
Given the circumstances I’m more minded to think how many we might have conceded had he not been there. This bizarrely or not depending upon how your mind works is is precisely the right time to hand over the reigns to Hugo. We cannot afford to play with this guy’s head. We already have one psychological minefield on our goalkeeping staff and don’t need a second. Was it a faultless performance? No. Welcome to the real world. Brad’s 141, he’s be just fine about it.
I remember running a piece a few years back saying that King had had it. One bright spark suggested that blogs such as mine were irresponsible and didn’t aid the player’s recovery, in fact the opposite. I was making his knee worse. So I await the accusation that I made Kyle Walker daft as a brush. Watching him has become a bit depressing. He urgently needs someone assist him to master basic defending and then half a dozen other simple passes he needs to master. All this belting around is largely pointless.
Good works get overlooked and mistakes are bellowed about from the rooftops. Sounds a lot like the way my ex operated. Maybe he’s as sick and tired of playing alongside Forrest Gump and ‘this weeks’ other CB as we are watching them. You build a ateam from the back. And the return of Benny cannot come soon enough.
Despite shoeing some promise, this was a step to far. Again, if we had better options then he wouldn’t be exposed like this. For all of Benny’s faults and various quirks he’s a proper Premier League left back and minus him we’re simply wall papering over the cracks. Verts does play for Belgium at LB, but the last time I looked it is a Tottenham shirt he wears every week. The defense needs balance and that will only come from being settled in it’s formation.
Had a comfortable enough game but I’m convinced that the way forward is him playing CB with Kaboom. Benny on the left of them and we throw the two Kyles half a pool cue each. ‘Now, our operation is small, but there’s a lot of potential for “aggressive” expansion. So, which one of you fine gentlemen would like to join our team? Oh, there’s only one spot open right now, so we’re gonna have…Tryouts. Make it fast.’
A bit of a nothingy performance if we’re going to be honest with ourselves.
‘Paaaaaaaaaaaaaaain!’ One tough rockin’ bar steward. No prisoners, but more importantly he is constantly wanting to build, turn possession into attack. You can hear him on the ball. ‘Who’s with me?!’ What a great buy. Inspirational character.
Oh look, let’s stop kidding ourselves. Get that Carroll lad in from the off and be done with it. Carroll deserves a run based upon whilst he doesn’t offer the occasional breathtaking pass he offers so much more in every other single department.
How the mighty have fallen. This was supposed to be a big season for him and he’s becoming increasingly invisible for huge parts of games. We need him to put in bigger shifts, it’s that straightforward. Defensively he thinks he’s above it all and sure, while the goal was superb, the rest of his 95 minutes wasn’t. Needs some tough love and less indulging.
What an idiot and anyone who wants to whine about Howard Webb’s decision to show a red is being beyond naive.
A largely horrible performance were any good he did was marred with a largely miserable attitude after Adebayor walked. So for 75 minutes his one dimensional contribution was joyless. He constantly looks to others and never to himself. Infuriatingly limited.
We keep waiting, hoping.
Did playing 10 men for really add up to a 3 goal difference in the scoreline? No. Having to field a hotch-potch side yet again and having to play without the best player from our last game is what killed us off. The opening 11 was good. I didn’t see anything wrong with it at all given the missing personnel. The substitutions were also spot on.
What some of you may not wish to factor in is that the Arsenal side that played was stronger than was widely anticipated and they actually had a good game and deserved to win. 5-2 isn’t pinching it. So you need to look at why and not just make knee jerk responses.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
No Ade.
Bloody Dempsey for the next three games!
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
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Bruxie Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Lazio.
Is that an important game, now?
No it is’t.
I want no more injuries. We cannot afford to field a weakened team against the spammers next Sunday.
What a ridiculous Saturday for results.
Everyone down to 13th is in the frame for a top six finish.
We have to buy some goodies in January.
Nextgen strikers on the bench next weekend, then.
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Garth Crooks is a bad man ruffneck ting Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Avb out, Livermore, Hudds, Gallas, Lloris and Dempsey can join him.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
should’ve hung onto gds!!!
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
You are spot on this time. Carroll is a Hollywood player , when he succeeds with his passes it is like watching Stevie G at his best.
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hoofing Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Yesterday some players played there last NLD. The Lillywhite shirt should also have been worn. Carroll is a first choice ahead of Hudd who should be moved on next year. There are glimpses of magic in Carroll which I hope AVB recognises and natures. For the rest……. I along with the main feature.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Don’t blame AVB for yesterday, thought he got it broadly right at last, and his tactical switch at half-time was refreshing considering his usual substitutions are crimes against football.
But what worries me most is not the metaphysical pining for more and better or less broken bodies. This is the team AVB and Levy put together in the Summer. The state of the squad is no blameless, inevitable singularity as people seem to put across. The injuries won’t help, but they never will. Anyway, what bothered me most was the weakness, the inevitable crumbling after the sending off. Guess what – you don’t have to fall apart and let in 3 goals in 20 minutes in a game you’re actually winning just because of a red card. You can consolidate and defend. But the way the emphasis shifted so dramatically and catastrophically was as if the players of both teams, and their fans, had all seen this show before. Why?
So having lost the game in that 20 minute period, the changes AVB made were admirable in their ambition but had already come too late to effect the outcome.
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Bruxie Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Agree with all of that.
Two banks of four after the sending off.
But we had Hudd.
Not a player for when your backs are to the wall and you need a mover and shaker.
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Justhadtosay Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Spot on.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Thing the general lack of character might have something to do with all the crap that’s happened to us recently; managerial comings and goings, top players exiting, top players not quite arriving (by 4 minutes?) etc. Not forgetting the ultimate kick in the goolies served up by chelski last season; I honestly believed this team is shell shocked. You could argue that the signing of the chelski reject manager didn’t exactly calm their nerves!
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
If you’re going to 2 foot a gooner player at least leave some scarring. Reinforcements needed indeed. Adebayor out for 3 games and off to South Africa for 3 weeks or so mid Jan. Togo will win and Ade made minister of sport and never seen again. Instead of faffing around buying average (Sigurddson, Dempsey) Levy should have spent the extra and got AVB his Moutinho.Expect Bobby Zamora Jan 31st and Kane and Jenas recalled from loan. Classic moment yesterday when the runt wilshire was harrassing the ref for a red and Sandro pushed him away with his little finger with a contemptuous “go away boy” look.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Also, Arsenal are still an ever diminishing force, their defence is comical, so to get thrashed by them 5-2, regardless of circumstance, is humiliating and we shouldn’t pretend otherwise. They won’t beat too many teams by a similar margin this season, certainly not decent ones.
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kranky Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Just think about what you said (They won’t beat too many teams by a similar margin this season). Shows you how shite this Spurs have become under this little runt.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
We seem to be taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Can’t for the life of me see how things are going to get back to last season. Hopefully avb can learn from his mistakes so far, and hopefully levy can actually come up with the goods this window, if he doesn’t then the slide will continue.
It’s not knee-jerk to see the deteriation of the team that was applauded as playing the best footie in the epl last season. Yes we had bad patches but on the whole things were good, certainly end league position wise and quarter-final champions league which ain’t easy – ask man city! Them is unarguable stats too!
Admittedly we’ve lost modders and we’ve had injury problems, but even so that doesn’t excuse some of the woeful “performances” and especially the lack of aggression – not of the adebayor type but going at teams like we know we’re better than them, and not just throttling back and defending after scoring one goal. What the fook? this is tottenham, last season white shirts bearing down made some teams shit bricks, now they’re thinking “wow there’s no petrol in that engine anymore, thank god for that”.
Lets just hope we get a result at lazio to get some confidence back. At least ade can play right? Mind you they’re gonna wind him up aren’t they.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
What about Souleymane? Didn`t like the team when shown included Hudds, at 26yrs, is He a work in progress, I think we have seen the best of Hudds and only disappointment awaits. Yago Falque, why is He not in the squad of late? COYS!
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Yes I was rather surprised that Falque wasn’t at least on the bench. Townsend was on the bench and I think Falque is better than Townsend.
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JaySpurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Falque seems much better. Townsend has looked clueless when coming on this season. Falque has looked impressive. Where is he then AVB, hmm?
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EngNor Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Falque would be my first choice over Hudds, He has impressed and has earned a place in the starting line up, considering the choices we have right now. COYS!
November 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Losing Dembele has cost us big,exactly the same as last year when we lost Modric for a run of games. Levy had to buy another centre mid last summer, a la Moutinho Huddlestone is beyond useless. I feel sorry for AVB as he is in the firing line, Levy has let him short on quality because he is more interested in the bottom line of the account sheet.
When will Levy realise that £30 million in the bank does not win titles and trophys
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TMWNN Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
They aren’t interested in trophies, that would require putting their own money into the club. They are taking the punters for mugs and will continue to string them along until the club is sold.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Lloris looks class and needs the time.He will be up there with Joe Hart in quality Im sure.
Walker is a putz but you are right Harry,if someone can teach him (duh) a few tricks of the trade like defending and passing we will all be better off
Billy.He is done.
Vertonghen at CB its best
Benny is not the best defender in the world but he is a clever player
Lennon and Bale have a right to be pissed off.Bale I think is gone if things dont change soon and Lennon gives a lot and is probably frustrated now.
Sandro.If you want to go to war and pick a player to go with its Sandro. Really I get the same shivers when I see him that I did when I saw Dave Mackay.They are from the same mold.
Huddlestone.Does some great things.Keep him as a bench player.
Ade was having a great time but a little bit of szhizo got into him. When he is supreme he is supreme.But his emotions can turn any time.
Elation,anger and depression all happen within minutes within him and he has such a personality he takes himself,the team and us with him on the ride.
Defoe would have done great had Ade been out there all game.Ade is a brilliant supply player.
Dempsey has to play in midfield and find his space to nip in the box.He hasnt found that groove.
AVB? He is on trial and the proceedings are not going in his favour.He needs a good defence to start with.
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Bruxie Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Sorry, Ronnie.
Dempsey in midfield?
He needs to do more than make late runs into the box.
The club’s too big for him…in his mind.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
remember Darren Bent before us,with us and after us?
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Yes, I do. Shite before, shite for us, shite after us.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
I think that is the word of an ideologue
LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Interesting. I think he is one-dimensional and will score goals if you make him the entire focus of the attack. That was never going to be the case at Spurs which is why it was stupid to buy him. He is an average striker that will score goals for below average football teams. I think his career stats prove that.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
below average…average….We need goals.We had four strikers at one time and had no idea how to use them.One is good then use then for certain games but we have no idea.
We have no idea how to get the best out of players.
With Redknapp he relied on Bale or VDV to do something themselves special but he didnt get the best out of the team and now its the same.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
On the contrary Bruxie, I think the problem with D****** is he thinks he’s too big for the club. He has the look of a player who’s pissed off his move to Liverpool fell through.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Agree with Lloris and about Billy being done. I’d make Vertonghen captain.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I have an abiding memory of Henry and Judas sat together, clapping and looking just like the kids at school who had just let your tyres down.
I want revenge already. The shame of their evil gloating will last until we stuff ‘em.
But I bet Sky won’t have a camera on them then.
Who do we have that can do a similar job?
Mabbutt? He wouldn’t lower himself to that level.
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I understand that Dempsey may be suffering a little bit of small fish in a bigger pond syndrome, perhaps even a mini crisis of confidence. But to these things prevent you from making an effort to get the ball back when your first touch is a pass to their midfield? A lack of skill is one thing, but the lack of effort and interest he showed at times yesterday shouldn’t be tolerated.
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
It was all too pally for me just before kick off. I’m not naive enough to think that any of them care, but they could at least pretend to. It won’t be long before these overpaid wankers start listening to “choons” in the tunnel.
AND THAT KIT! IN A NLD?
The one shining light in this latest debacle is Sandro. He is a wrecking ball personified – brilliant!
Gallas needs retiring and someone needs to inject big bad Tommy with the rest of the syringe and finish the job off. He’s an embarrassment.
Not having a suitable replacement for Adebayor is gross negligence, but no doubt the Levy lovers will find excuses.
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JaySpurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
It’s all gone wrong since someone decided to ditch the lovely navy away kit for the grey-and-black.
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Looks to me that whinger reminded lasagna that Benny wasnt playing and he had nothing to fear going down the right and crossing,he tormented us.With Benny about he wouldnt dare come down that side of the pitch.
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
One more thing! AVB’s post-match comments that we were ‘the better team from the first minute to the last’ – Do not approve! Delusions which just make him look stupid / psychotic. I hope he isn’t saying that crap to the players as they won’t take him seriously either.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Correct. He did the same the other day when he dramatically underplayed the Gooners’ CL qualfication record.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Yes, when he said that I immediately thought of Adam West of “Batman” saying “poor deluded fool” to The Penguin or one of them anyway. Nice to have your avatar back, the other one was a bit sinister.
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TMWNN Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
That’s fucked up. He must have had some kind of black out between the sending off and half time where we lost the game. It might also explain why the changes were half an hour too late. Only an idiot would say we were better throughout.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Changes were half hour too late? Easy with hindsight isn’t it? There was no way of knowing that the defensive collapse would happen and if he’d made changes immediately after the red card and we had still leaked three quick goals you would no doubt have criticised him for making the changes. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
No,of course you’re wrong H-S,AVB,should’ve seen the collective mindset of nine outfield players-run on the pitch-dragging both full backs off the very instant Ade walked-because not only is he a manager-he’s also a clairvoyant-sily you eh?
Fact remains he did change things for the better at HT and despite the enomity of the task-we did still compete in the 2nd half!
ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Fact also remains that by the time he changed things for the better it was too late to actually make it any better.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
As I said-should he have stopped the game midstream then-surely a manager can only influence at HT if things go tits up 1st half. The players need to look at themselves, they’re out there, their the one’s who can change things-It’s what having a captain’s armbands for? It’s too easy to blame the manager, same as last season with all that ‘lack of tactics’ BS.
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I haven’t blamed him, in fact I gave him credit. I just said the changes didn’t make any difference. I’ve also repeatedly said that the capitulation was what most worried me more than anything. Clear lack of bottle, and whether AVB is annyway responsible for that, it is certainly part of his job to start instilling some backbone and self-belief.
kranky Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
This team is going backwards. We have half a dozen next-gen players waiting in the wings and Tom Hudd and Gallas are regulars. This man AVB is a walking disaster and before Christmas his bum lickers will agree.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
The difference between next gen and PL is huge, several levels different. Those players may look good in next gen but the majority are far from ready for Pl, especially the against the top teams. Chucking youngsters in at the deep end before they are ready risks destroying their confidence and possibly ruining them.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Walker and Naughton will be in no doubt what’s expected of them in the future-Walker especially needed a kick up the jacksee-hopefully the humiliation with him being an International player, YPOTY and a media fav will impact upon him and get him back on track for all our sakes
yidtilidie Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Exactly, look at Aston Villa right now!
Yes our team is depleted right now, but I for one would like to at least see a little fight from some of these spineless c**ts who play for us!
Us as fans would have given our houses away to play yesterday, yet some of our players treat it like any other match!
One thing the gooners and the rest of the top teams, city, chelski and utd have over us (which I hate to say) is a never say die attitude, we never look like defying the odds, and I don’t wanna hear about the UTD victory, because on this seasons form, that was pure luck, and were lucky to even be in the top half!
November 18th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Anyone else disappointed & irritated by Defoe’s continual whining yesterday? It started before Ade was carded.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Almost as bad as some of the whining I’ve read here about Defoe!!
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
i actually think it was a yellow not a red
but thats how i lose every game of snooker
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
By the laws of the game it was a red. Both feet off the ground = dangerous. That’s how legs get broken.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I think it’s also an age thing TBH. A decade ago it would’ve been a yellow-two decades ago-a foul and and a free-no more-you can blame FIFA for making the game such a pussyfest-but by and large these days Webb was correct and at least thought long and hard before giving it.
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I get my yellows and reds mixed up as well, Sid.
That’s why i’m crap at Connect 4.
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Phil McAvity Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m the same Sid, except I always get the brown and the pink mixed up, the wife is never amused!
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
A lot of sense spoken today(positive), which I am surprised about considering the nature of defeat.
I feel the big loss wasn’t yesterday more the bad choices that have gone before making yesterday’s result really hurt our league position(although a more true reflection of his season).
However despite our recent negative/dull tactics we are still leaky, with a manager that is know for his prep?
More annoying yesterday was the players happy shaking hands at the end whilst and our manager running around shaking anything that looked at him. I really don’t think he understands the basics as well as the detail, by the way did anyone see the Utd players response when the lost yesterday………heads down straight off.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I find it a bit embarrassing as a spurs fan and regular attendee at the lane that fans are crying for AVB s head already. It’s not even Xmas and we have a injury list that is clearly killing us. Get behind the side or sod off down the road where you belong.
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cookiebun Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Oh here we go. Someone who thinks he’s God allfucking mighty telling people they don’t have an opinion. Grow up honey, he’s a fucking failure and papering over the cracks won’t change that. This squad is what he and Levy deemed capable prior to the 30th September. He named his 25 the same way as any other manager did and he is ailing miserably. He has gone on record as saying this team doesn’t need reinforcing in January. He hasn’t go a clue and anne who wants is entitled of their opinion of him.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
It may be what Levy deemed capable but it isn’t what AVB deemed capable. Why do you suppose he wanted Moutinho and Willian? In which levy let him down. So after only 12 games, with a very weakened squad, you already deem him a failure? 12 games is hardly enough to form an opinion, you are clearly prone to knee jerks.
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cookiebun Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Quote (Moutinho and Willian) correction Moutinho OR Willian, he wouldn’t ever, ever have got the money for both. He had success with a team about the same size as Ipswich in Portugal and he had the services of Hulk, Mountinho etc. He didn’t cut it at Chelsea and looked like a rabbit in headlights at interviews. We cannot take the chance of allowing him to change this team to his liking and then get sacked. It would set us back 10 years.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
As for his positive comments about the squad, what do you expect him to say? That they are rubbish like Harry did regarding certain players.
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John Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Hot_spur, well it might have helped if some of those targets were a little more realistic, then they might have happened. Anyone can ask for £30million pound players.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Not sure of the price for Willian offhand but it wasn’t 30 million. Neither was Moutinho, he was apparently 22 million.
LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Exactly, given 15m is our top level, they do seem to be unrealistic targets.
Chris Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
So what would you do? Sack him, bring in someone else who wants to tweak the squad and staff and if that guy does nt get instant results sack him as well?
And who would you replace him with? Mourinio? Hiddink? Get real.
Redknapp had 3 seasons I think AVB deserves at least that so stop panicking “honey”. It’s not about stifling opinion it’s about weeding out the noise from the common sense.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Did you suggest ramos had 3 seasons as well I wonder?
November 18th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
HH, I’ll ask you the same unanswered question as I asked you in you last post:
I see in the last week or so you’ve started to bemoan the strength of the squad and a desperate need of reinforcements in January. Well to coin a phrase you so much love to use against your detractors, how about adding some substance to your comment and elaborating why you think that is?
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
On a special note to HH, you deserved any abuse you received regarding “The King”! That gentleman earnt a full pardon a long time ago( in my book) and should be awarded half of the international caps the other defenders got during his tenure.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Anyone with half a brain, knew that this season was going to be one of transition. We were never going to win the league, a cup would be an incredible achievement, top 4 would be amazing….AVB has got to be given time to put his own team together, at the moment he is experimenting with players and formations and taking it all in. He ain’t no fool and will see that Defoe can’t pay up front on his own, Naughton is useless at left back, Galas and Friedel are done and the likes of Huddlestone, Dempsey and Livermore are back up at best.
He will know that we need to spend big, first on a striker and second, a creative midfielder.
Get behind the team, get behind the manager COYS!
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Ah,at last a voice of reason-seems supporting the team in these troubled times-is just as bad as supporting them when things are going well-if you try and get a positive out of it-you’re a happy clapping AVB/HH ‘man’ these days-When all I said was That piece of haddock would’ve been fit for Jehovah”
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John Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Hartley, I thoroughly agree with the last line. However can’t help but think you completely contradicted your self by saying “he ain’t no fool”
and then follow up with the selections he has been making all season as the justification?
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Hartley Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I never contradict myself except on a day with a y in it….
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cookiebun Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
AVB needs to get the fuck out of WHL before the likes of Bale, Sandro, Vertongen, Llaoris, Ade and Dembele decide that enough is enough. He said on the post match interview yesterday on the BBC that he was proud of the teams performance and they were on top from the first minute to the last. He’s a joke and will destroy the club unles he’s shown the door.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Anyone with half a brain, knew that this season was going to be one of transition.
Why? Weren’t we supposed to kick on from the Redknapp era? Didn’t AVB himself say that the minimum target he agreed with Levy was 4th? (Don’t shoot the messenger on that one, eh?).
BTW, please explain what you mean by ‘transition’. Presumably you mean we are changing things – but what things are we changing and what is the eventual outcome?
I hear ‘transition’ quite a lot. Haven’t Spurs been in ‘transition’ for most of the last 25 years?
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cookiebun Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
51 years
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mystic arnold Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Since 2 years after we won the double
Hartley Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Hmmm….. 5 FA cups, 2 UEFA cups, 1 Cup winners cup and 4 League cups and we haven’t bought any of them…..in fact since the war only Spurs and Yanited have won at least 1 trophy every decade….Ficklefucker
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
AVB may well have agreed 4th with Levy and if that was agreed I would guess that also part of such agreement would be that Levy would get the players AVB wanted. Moutinho and Willian. If levy failed to keep his end up he can hardly expect AVB to carry the can if 4th doesn’t materialize.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
You are making stuff up! You have no evidence to support your claim that the agreement was dependent on those players.
John Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Hot_Spur, Have you not realised your the only one that thinks buying both of those players was REALISTIC. You sound like Redknapp, stick to Football Manager.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
LLL – I’m not “making up stuff” and it isn’t a “claim” if you read my post properly you will see that it is a “guess” that if AVB would agree to top 4, knowing that our most influential player was leaving, and the possibility that VdV may also leave, he would want or even expect they they would be replaced by players at least somewhere towards similar quality. How can you take two world class players out of any team and expect similar results and performances, especially in view of our main competitors having improved their teams whilst ours has get weaker.
LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
If you listen to most opinion, VDV doesn’t count as he barely contributed last season. I tend to agree. I also agree that losing Modric has been very damaging. But I don’t see any evidence whatsoever that AVB had a clause in his contract which said he was allowed to under-achieve if Levy didn’t replace him with Moutinho!
4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Yesterday you said my thesis was just an assumption and I was “talking out of my arse”
Look behind you.
JaySpurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Completely agree. The only ‘transition’ we needed was moving from 4th to 3rd! It may be ‘only 12 games’ but in those 12 games AVB has revealed himself to be utterly inept tactically and a laughing stock at getting the best out of what most pundits and punters would deem a respectable set of players.
And what’s in that famous notebook? Waitrose Shopping list? It certainly doesn’t seem to do him any good whilst watching the fricking games.
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Remember that we finished 4th (twice), 5th and got to a champions league quarter final in the last 3 seasons, so please could someone explain to me what exactly we’re transitioning from and to? Fook me arse shipped 8 goals to man u last season but they didn’t sack whinger. The only knee-jerking I’ve seen is by our pillock chairman. The man should stick to playing russian roulette in his private life, not with our once superb team.
Anyway we have transitioned; from cream to stale milk.
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TMWNN Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
It’s Levy who you should be telling to get behind the team.
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offtheshelf Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Do any of you honestly think that replacing Modric and VDV with Dembele and Sig/Dempsey would leave the team as strong as they were?!!!
Of course he wanted Mutinho who wouldn’t he is a better player than all three above and would make a difference.
As for the loss of VDV it has hurt us, how many times at the Lane have you seen us get up to the final third and then go sideways or backwards, VDV used to find space and make himself open in that area, remember goals against the scum and the opener against Inter in the CL.
Truth be told at full strength we might be as good as the Arse but we are not good enough to compete with the top three consistently through the season.
Levy knows this and it is why he wants the new ground, what worries me is when we are paying for it will we have the money to spend on quality players, this is why I wanted Moyes for manager, he can keep a team going on little money, then once the ground had been paid for who knows what he could do with big funds behind him.
AVB sold Levy on his plan, a plan which has always been Levy’s ideal way of running the club hence the continual use of the word project.
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Chrispurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I’ll get behind him, if I can push him right out of the WHL front door
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
lloris made 1 save fukin useless
gallas is finished ay past his best pushed up to far and stil played all and sundrie onside.
verts looks jaded already
kyle & kyle yes its a comedy show
bale is lazy disappears for theBIG games
sandro is world class so expect im to leave in the very near future
thudd is thudd this mobility lark is not his game
lennon ffs get in the game
ade is as daft as a brush but in the last two games has looked back to fitness
defoe always looks for someone to blame and its very easy after yesterday
we will play worse this season and win but of the 2 most important games of the season,we have lost 1
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
HH I would like to retract my previous statement “A lot of sense spoken today”………….I fear it could be downhill from here.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Hudd against arsenal was always going to be a disaster, you need busy people tracking runs. Hopefully Carrol gets a run
I’m still really confused about the sending off – everyone HH included thinks it was a sending off. Maybe I’ve lost it but it was a forward’s tackle, yes late but he caught him on the foot, it wasn’t a leg breaker and held little malice or intent. The ball was bouncing and he went for it, missed it and caught the guy on the foot. A 3 game ban too? I just think compared to some tackles given reds (or that go unpunished like Charlie Adam’s on Bale) it was pretty low key
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Agree about the tackle. ‘Letter of the law’ and what have you. Well, the contact was minimal and it was an obvious attempt to win the ball, even if it was high. Nothing in comparison to the Charlie Adams style leg breakers. Ref could easily have given a yellow and a stern ticking off for it, would have been a better decision. Arguing that if it had been a goon on one of ours we would have been screaming for a red is besides the point – of course we would, we are bias. The ref has to make sensible, nuanced decisions, and he could very easily have shown a yellow yesterday and I don’t think there would be any outrage after the fact.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
The fact that he “only” caught him on the foot is irrelevant. Ade slid in with both feet off the ground, that is rightly deemed as dangerous and potentially leg breaking. Ref had little choice. In fact I don’t think the ref wanted to send him off, he took some time to think about it and spoke to the linesman before producing the card, it wasn’t knee jerk by the ref.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Like I said, if he had given a yellow, do you think there would have been much of an outcry or a load of criticism? I don’t think so, which suggests that he could easily have gone with that option – he didn’t have to ruin the game.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
You are assuming there would be no outcry, you don’t know that. The ref followed the rules (I think reluctantly) which are clear on that type of tackle. You can’t flout the rules just because there may not be an outcry. The ref’s decision was correct, there’s no argument about that.
LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
A ref is allowed to use their own discretion and judgment. yes, it’s my belief that there would be no outcry if he had deemed this a yellow. For the simple fact that similar tackles go without reds and no outcry.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
FFS, both feet off the ground, leading with his studs, knee high…and you don’t think that’s a straight red? Really?
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mattspurs Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
I think LLL has written the words for me really – would there have been an outcry if it had only been a yellow, probably not.
The tackle being ‘knee high’ is an interesting interpretation as that was where the ball was – if the ball had been on the floor and Ade’s tackle had been knee high then he clearly wouldn’t have been going for the ball and yes a red card would be a clear punishment.
The two feet off the floor argument is a bit funny too – it’s pretty hard to do most things like running and jumping without having both feet off the floor.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
2 losses to the gooner scum 5-2 at the hemmerhoids is not acceptable in what ever manner it took place and until the players hate that as much as the fans do nothing will change.
Did lloris forget to put his dentures in ,he looks like my granny.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
We played better than when we lost 5-2 last season. Last season ‘Arrys selection for that game was arrogant and stupid, we lost every 50-50, Bale wandered around like he was the dogs b’s and allowed Benny to get doubled.
It is hard to know what to take from yesterday because of the sending off. I think they would have scored at least 2 if we had our full 11 out, the question is how many would we have scored. So just a couple of points, Bale needs to learn or try some defending, he sort of hangs about near the opposition attacker and neither blocks the cross or makes a tackle, ironically I might have made him play on the other wing in the 2nd half, least Lennon tries to defend. I’d like to see Carol given more playing time. AVB is our manager now, sacking him this early will only create more instability. I remember when Burkinshaw took over we got relegated, granted we didn’t have the internet then, but no called for him to be sacked.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
I’m not calling for him to be sacked, it’s not realistic. We are stuck with him until he either sorts himself and our performances out or else fucks it up royally and gets himself sacked. Obviously, hopefully it will be the former.
I did say when he was hired, however, that Levy’s nuts should be on the line over this one. Too many poor appointments in the past and sacking a manager who had given you your best finishes mean this has to work out.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
In regards to KB, he effectivly had to build three sides in as many years when he took over ‘Keith Who?” from TN most of the players were pretty ordinary-and he got no backing whatsoever from the board intially-if you recall-Ian Moores, Kevin Scott and an awful lot of dross-then put them with the likes of Pratt, Coates and Naylor-and you’ve got a dreadful team that deservedly got relegated, although it did fight til the end-then the re-build to get out of Div 2, bought Hoddle and McNab through-upon promotion we spent 750k on 2 luxery players-but leaked like a seive in the top flight 7-0 Liverpool-5-0 at home to the Goons 3-1 home defeat by 3rd Div Swansea, yeah-we’ve alwys been a top-top side!!!-That 1981-4 side took in essence 3 seasons to build-not overnight- and perhaps there’s a lesson in standing by your man and backing him eventually can pay dividends!
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half_baked_spuds Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Bollox. Last season we played the best footie in the epl – everyone said so, sure we had off days and a few twonkings, so did the other good teams. This season we look like a crappie championship side with the attacking menace of a toothless greyhound. Anyway if we were so bad under Harry how do you explain two 4ths and a 5th, plus a champions league quarter final in 3 years? Reality check required I think – that argument just doesn’t stand up for long. Doesn’t mean I want HR back, too late for that we have to move on, but its going to take a looooong time to reach those heights again and it wont be under this manager, hopefully it wont be under levy too.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Sandro is a monster, love him. I was pleased proud is a bit mch) we gave ita go in the 2nd half, lts not forget they started tme wasting at 4-2 and the whole place went quite, if we got a third they would have folded.
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November 18th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Vertonghen is not used to playing in a losing team. He’s ovbviouly still adjusting psycologically.
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November 18th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
watched Tottenham Hotspur greatest Fa cup goals on espn last night,just happened to turn on the box before I went to bed to get that awful result out of my brain.
What an antidote for spurs triggered depression.Goals from Bobby Smith onwards ,just the names mentioned and you will know the rest. greaves ,allen,ginola,klinsmann,hoddle ,archibald ,crookes,waddle,gazza,linekar,ossie ,villa,teddy,chiv,gilly,berba,keane, even threw in paul stewart,johnny pratt and the ginger pele v scum for good measure. slept like a baby.
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November 18th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
we’re a mess, a complete and utter mess.
We only have to look at the points we’ve dropped and the dismay displays we’ve suffered at home, mostly brought about by an insistence to play to a new system that’s been reinforced in play with some of the most negative backwards thinking substitutions we’ve ever seen down at the lane.
The only reason the faithful haven’t turned on Always Very Boring is the one decent result we got by largely parking the bus for 75 minutes. As grateful as we are for beating them at old trafford such gratitude can only last so long.
We were promised a high line and a 4-3-3 with lots of attacking intent and quick passing, in fact everything that we all thought could have got us into third last season. One good result again poor opposition sees Always Very Boring finally start thinking about a true 4-4-2 at home and now with a rush of blood to his head, he tries it away, then he gets plaudits for ‘having a go’ and not shutting up shop! Have we all become such complete sycophants that we have to join the apologists and excusists for Always Very Boring without thinking that he should have tried to influence the game BEFORE we collapsed. he’s precipitated enough of them, was he afraid to act to stop this one? Of course by halftime it didn’t matter what he did, he could make changes with impunity as the chances of getting back into this game were gone. Typical AVB, either too little or too late to affect anything.
Of course, already the comparisons are naturally being made between now and last season, but last season, well the whole point of Always Very Boring was to be better wasn’t it?
We had massive injury problems last season so going backwards shouldn’t be an excuse, if we’d taken the points we should have had at home, we wouldn’t be in this position.
We could easily lose our next 3 games and if we do we should all be demanding this idiots head, all he’s done is take us backwards.
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JaySpurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Agree 100%
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Agree 100% with your agreement 100%!
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Of course, already the comparisons are naturally being made between now and last season, but last season, well the whole point of Always Very Boring was to be better wasn’t it?
I think that’s a very important point that will prove difficult for most happy clappers to explain away without making the same sad excuses and saying what a poor hand AVB has been dealt (guess what – he saw this deck of cards from the off, and even got to say yay or nay to a few extras, granted he got stuck with some cards he wanted to ditch, just as well as we are having to rely on some of those now). So, cue sad excuses then.
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Boasconstrictor Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Fantastic post.Arise Sir Topspur100 .
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woooothereboy Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
The team is in transition, the weak liks abvious to all. If you want overnight success then look elsewhere.
Of course, already the comparisons are naturally being made between now and last season, but last season, well the whole point of Always Very Boring was to be better wasn’t it?
That is the problem, quick fix scenarios. Live in the past but next week is a new week and new oppotunities to find out something new about our players and support staff. Win, lose or draw time will bring all things to light- Being negative serves no purpose.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
That is the problem, quick fix scenarios
Quick fix to what? The team has been under-performing since January but still achieved their highest ever finish in the league last season. Does this suggest a broken team in need of major fixes and a couple of seasons in ‘transition’?
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hoofing Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
The team has been under-performing since January
Not the same team LLL.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Oh for crying out loud LLL,are you seriously suggesting any manager, let alone AVB or Harry for that matter would’ve inproved on the side’s top 4 fininsh? Even if Modric stayed-whoever would’ve suffered-especially playing 1st teamers in the Europa league, which was and still is a massive mistake. Walker’s form was deteriorating under HR for a start-Losing Kaboul so early on and having to reply on Gallas, who is clearly not playing out of choice, more a case of limited other options-then BAE, which resulted in having to shore up on the left side-by using either a right footer or our best central def-then playing a clearly unfit Huddlestone-because there simply arent any other’s available-it’s hardly rocket science is it? But you’re harping on about Adebayor being fit-when clearly he wasn’t-that’s not accounting for Parker’s absence, which would at least give Sandro a break ,because Livermore’s been injured as well-how many’s that-all key players in key positions-or am I wrong?
ELELEL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Yes, you’re wrong. We’ve had a bad run of injuries, no denying. But every time we’ve fielded teams against each of Norwich, West Brom, Panathinaikos, Newcastle, Maribor they’ve cost more than twice the opposition.
I really can’t stand to hear lame excuses anymore. It’s really boring!
The guy was hired in place of a guy who finished 4th. I’m fairly sure that it wasn’t Levy’s plan to get someone in to take us down to mid-table this year in a season of ‘transition’. In fact we know he didn’t because the manager said so himself.
I’m not gearing up for a ‘season of transition’ i.e. a mid-table finish. Because in spite of the happy clappers who seem to be happy to accept that already, this wasn’t what I was promised by the manager or the chairman.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Jeezes-It’s like talking to a five year old sometimes with you!
OK let’s start again 1 Is Dembele a key player or is he not?
2 Is Bae the only LB we’ve got-and to replace him, are we or are we not putting a better central defender in his place-or a right footed novice?
3 Is Kaboul not the best defender we’ve got-and to replace him are we or are we not playing Gallas, when we’ve no real option?
4 Is Huddlestone playing only because of injuries to both Parker and Dembele?
5 Was Adebayor injured or not until very recently?
Take your time-but answer each question as they’ve been written or even your take on things-that’ll be interesting- but make sure you at least give me the courtesy to answer mine first.
ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 am
1. Obviously.
2. Yes. We have another one out on loan though. And cover in Naughton.
3. We have loads of centre backs – so many that AVB was trying to shed one of them. Really poor example. Kaboul is one our 2 best centre backs but we are well covered here.
4. I would guess so. Good job he didn’t go to Stoke then, eh?
5. He had some niggling injuries but the fact that he was able to fly away and play for his country and was on the bench on a number of occasions suggests that he could have been picked more often. Indeed AVB stated at least once that he was out of the team on merit (or rather that Defoe was in it).
Is that OK for you? Now do me a favour and head over to physio. We aren’t even in the top 5 teams carrying the most injuries. West Ham have more players out than us FFS. It’s a squad game. Most managers outside the top 4 would swap their squad for ours right away.
Can you explain why we can field a team that costs three times that of the opposition and yet in your mind is still so weak as to excuse defeat?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
That’s the whole issue, you can’t legislate for the amount of injuries in so many key positions-As for Huddlestone, of course he wasn’t initially in AVB’s plans-because he clearly isn’t right-perhaps never will be again, so therefore it stands to reason that he’s not the type of player that’ll suit AVB’s ideas or style- you can put Dawson and even Gallas into that scenario as well, so it’s equally fair to assume that DL won’t to be too harsh on AVB either, given the circumstance-promise or not
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If that is all really the case, then there should be some kind of post-mortem on the Summer window, to see why we didn’t sign at least 2 more midfielders (Parker was already a long term ‘out’, Thudd was for the door, though curiously even given the thin numbers), and one more centreback. That’s before we even get to the complete nonsense of beginning the season with one tiny striker who had been mostly out of favour with all of our last 3 managers.
But the thing is, you won’t hear any criticism of Levy either. So while you shift emphasis from AVB’s failure to get this squad functioning well over to injuries and then to a fundamental weakness of the playing staff, the blame shifts around and won’t stick anywhere. If there’s a problem here, someone / something must be causing it!
November 18th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
It’s about now that I’m reminding myself that we have two ‘flair player’ wingers in Bale and Lennon. What’s the job of a winger? It’s not to score many goals, especially, it’s more to beat your man and get some quality crosses in, set some goals up, agreed? Bale chips in with the odd goal or assist now and then, Lennon the same but less frequently. A certain Darren Anderton got 126 assists in his Premier League career. Are Bale or Lennon going to get anywhere near that? How many crosses per game did Chris Waddle used to get in for Spurs? 10-15 per game? Do our wingers bring enough to the team? Just a thought…
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Darren Anderton was a top class player but for some unknown reason got slated by many spurs fans. As for Bale, the fault isn’t with him, he used to put crosses galore into the box but there was never anybody (Defoe) there to get on the end of them. He eventually got fed up and started wandering infield looking for the ball. I remember clearly in the West Brom game, first 15 minutes Bale put 3 super crosses along the six yard box but Defoe was 10 yards away. The look on Bale’s face said it all. He stopped bothering after that.
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November 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
About to watch the Fulham game……..am I only one that hate’s seeing Berba in a Fulham shirt??????
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I agree. I’ve been watching Fulham’s games this season just to see Berba play. 5 goals and 3 assists in 7 games so far, he still sheer class.
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CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Ah ah–remember Fulham goals don’t count as much as others do. Dempsey got 17 there last yeat but is pure shit, according to this blog.
Ergo, Berba must be pure shit too. Is SAF ever wrong?
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I have to admit that I really enjoy watching him play. Best player I’ve seen at WHL in person.
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NBC State Medium. Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
You havent been very much then.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
That’s more or less true. But even still, you have to go back in time for a fair while to find someone better. imo.
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Klinsmann thrilled me in much the same vein.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Good shout.
4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Chris Waddle in the two seasons after Hoddle left was brilliant. A Hoddle with pace. Shame we got the finances messed up and had to sell him in his prime.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Spot on-but you’re forgetting he had to be sold in order to raise funds to pay for Lineker-you see, we’ve never really had the cash to build a solid side from gk-cf, It’s always been a caviar and stale bread sandwich-even when we bought Ardiles and Villa-the final piece of the ‘jigsaw’ was John Lacy-John flippin’ Lacy-I ask you?
Phil McAvity Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Gascoigne and Ginola, my two favourite Spurs players that I’ve seen play live.
Phil McAvity Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Actually add Klinsmann to that and make it my favourite three!!
hoofing Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
The freekick by Gazza against the Arse at Wembley was a once in a spurs life time sporting event which I was proud to be apart of which I saw, the other was Ricky Villa’s goal which I missed whilst taking a leak.
If THFC wish to compete financially with the big boys then Lewis needs to get the check book out. No team has a right to win any game but a bit of financial muscle helps.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
It always makes you think what if the Man U magnet, which has the effect on our players as Jupiter did on the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet, hadn’t distracted our players over the years. How much SAF has destabilized our team over the years before a ball has even been kicked. As much as I reluctantly admire Man U for their legendary fighting spirit, I hate them as well for the negative impact they have consistently had on our club.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I wouldnt blame our players.Goodluck to them if they go to higher ground. Market forces are healthy.
What is not healthy is how we are being run.
We know with a small stadium it had to be like this but we are only living on promises for the future and getting little now and the future looks the same even though every Tottenham supporter wants more.
The vision of the sixties was it can be done.But its the wait thats difficult.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I don’t know Ronnie. I can’t help but think that Business has turned some clubs into huge predators which over the years has turned many fixtures from being eagerly awaited contests where the result is up for grabs to mind-numbing predictability. Us against Man. U in the 60′s where we gave a damned good account of ourselves and even handed them some thrashings is a good example. If Man U or that other team from S/W London become the “Tescos” of the Premiership the sheer predictability and foregone conclusions of the results will make it unwatchable. What possible pleasure could even the winners of such an emasculated league get?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
How are we getting little Ronnie?, if you compare like for like- financially we shouldn’t even be in the top half, let alone the top 4-have a look around the league, before joining the Levy’s a tight so and so merchant’s-players are expensive you know-like RVP costing 60 million-with little or no residual value and most of those players touted on here are in a similar bracket-do you honestly think we’re in that market?
ELELEL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
How are we getting little Ronnie?, if you compare like for like- financially we shouldn’t even be in the top half
How do you figure that one out? Our revenue / turnover is the 6th highest in the league.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
And who or whom exactly do you attribute that to then-ENIC and Mr Daniel Levy, that’s who!
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
There is no other way.Its either Harrods,Tescos,or the little shop on the corner that never made it.This is reality.
Our Brand Talks Harrods but the facts show its really Tescos.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I agree with you that that is how it is. It will just make a poor footballing spectacle is all I’m saying.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Its all going to culminate in a super league and either we work our way there or we dont.Right now the results are not it but it sure feels stagnant
jfdit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
the laughing stock our club has become could only be compounded further by getting sponsored by Lldl with obviously a M&S pricing structure.
had the dubious pleasure of spending yesterday evening with two gooners I know who were at the game, apparently ade was getting really riled about 60k goons singing he should have been shot in angola, no excuses for his card but puts it into perspective why he lost the plot.
the only bright part of the evening was hearing about how the shit is going to hit the fan at the emptycrates with their fans and the owners about to go to war over lack of investment & high prices
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Ade’s was completely stupid.Hd no control.Was on an ego trip with the goal and his performance to that point..was enjoying himself..and was in another world…didnt take into consideration anything about the effect of his actions.
On top of that Webb watched a scuffle after the incident and to control the game that also led to Ade getting a red.
(non democratic armies knock outa whole town to give fear to the people) and thats what Webb did.
Stupid overeaction from both parties.
CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Like our win last month?
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November 18th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Yes a players step up to step onwards club. The transition in progress is highlighting many area’s that need attention. Naturally players want success and will go where the spolis are. The loss of Modric and VDV has no been highlighted and lets hope that young Carroll will not end up under SAF armpits. The board must show ambition next January to fill in the gaps and prove to the good players worthy of the shirt that they mean business.
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offtheshelf Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Is not the red-nosed one after the skills, guts and determination of Sandro? I know it’s only newspaper talk but that is how he starts it off, first a article in the Manc Evening News, this is picked up by the national daily’s who nowadays don’t bother to check into the truth/rumour/load of old b****cks it might be and then report it as fact.
Give Sandro the world and make him captain, get him to drive the othets on, this will work if they are as scared of him as I am.
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hoofing Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Is not the red-nosed one after the skills, guts and determination of Sandro?
Yes and other vultures are circling also. The clubs motto must be respected in the boardroom aswell as the changing room. The likes of Dempsey are passengers, however I wonder how he would have faired in a Bindipper shirt. Sandro Captain material yes,along side the bunch of Belgium chocolates.
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November 18th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Ive kept away from this blog for the last 2 months, and feel much better for it. Well, same old same old, poor quality, in bickering and going around in circles … and I’m not even talking about Spurs results. See ya again after Xmas maybe !!
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
see you in two months
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I’m not a wealthy man but of there were to be a modest amount of cash in it could you stay away for longer?
Let me know.
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
OUCH!
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
I thought that some of the bickering was of a very high quality indeed.
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hoofing Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Your historical and cultural contributions have been most inspiring.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Some of the bickering on here is exemplary. the quality of which I have not witnessed since I was an old fish fag working at Billingsgate.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
It was somewhere between the American election skirmish,the UBC World Championship and water pistals at 12 feet but closer to the latter.
Handbags and hysterics as opposed to a historical event
Thank you also BC for illuminating its frame of reference within the current era
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November 18th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
How about give Fulham dempsey back for Berba and throw in Jenas and Livermore?
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Heck, we could take Jol and toss in AVB as part of the deal.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Blimey LLL, you made me laugh. Has your id been hacked, mate
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jfdit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
little bit of gossip for you HH, allegedly a certain ex premiership manager who was in the running for a certain national team job in the spring placed significant bets against himself getting the job in question netting him a rather tidy sum when he didn’t get the gig
in any other business it would be insider trading
ELELEL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Different prescription.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
what certain gambling enterprise took the bet?
If the sum was that big then surely they would know it unless it was under his dogs name in Monaco.I like the idea though.Robert Ludlum would have been be impressed and so would Bourne who happens be be in Berlin now.
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jfdit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
the guy who told me is senior level at the firm concerned and said sizeable bets like that from football people are quite common
whether a dog in monaco was involved wasn’t divulged
the manager in question is apparently a very savvy punter with them and rarely loses unlike a certain granny shagging striker who apparently has lost circa £5+ million this year
Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I can confirm without hesitation or the need to twitch, that jfdit is the real deal.
‘Proper’ for want of a better word.
Love the granny shagger stat. Don’t know why but he looks like a punter who chases. You can smell them a bloody mile off.
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
I’ve heard it from a reliable source that he is in Lichtenstein.
CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I expected better of you Ronnie, Dempsey got 22 goals in all competitions last year and was 4th in Footballer of the year voting. He had a hatrick against Newcastle and goals against Chelsea and Liverpool among the 22, 17 in the PL.
So far Ade has one and Bale 3. Dempsey has 2.
Who on this year’s team is outperforming last year’s contribution othrr than Lennon and Sandro, unless you count Defoe’s selfishness?
The Dempsey and Siggy bashing should stop. If they were getting intelligent distribution from a Modders or a VdV, the picture for them and Spurs would be much different.
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A_Felching Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I have not seen anything from Dempsey, he is used to the Premier League and I cannot see what his problem is.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am
I afraid that AVB might just be an ideologue.That he might like to live and die by Hi Lines and Low scoring.
Ohio yid kid,Dempsey has shown he can score but so far not with us,not yet anyway.I think he is not being played right but also he is not finding his own space,his own groove.His type of scoring is less set and more instinctual.So far there has been no spark.
The manager,if truly a thinker,should be able to unlock the door to this success.But Im afraid his weakness is change alwathough he came with a promise of it.
Still its early days yet,but he only has so much time ans we all have only so much patence.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 am
That’s twice you’ve used the word ‘ideologue’ in this one single thread Ronnie. I’m calling you in on this one, don’t want to see it again in this thread.
CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Ideologue OK with me. Ronnie is a thinker even if I don’t always agree with him. I think what he is saying is the players have to fit within AVB’s plan or else. Lots of evidence for this although 2d half against Arse showed he would rather try to win than save his system. AVB is, methinks, paralyzed with fear of another failure. Maybe Levy shouldn’t have caught him on the rebound. But we’ve got him and we need him to succeed. Let’s hope he shows more of a WTF attitude. It would do him good. COYS. COYAVB
ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:08 am
I was just being silly. He can use whichever words he likes, it’s OK with me. The daft ideologue!
November 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Its obvious that AVB doesn’t really rate either Dempsey or Sigurdson so if we were to move them both on in January (agreed at a loss) maybe we could afford a capable box to box midfielder.
It is disturbing that these two can’t seem to find their feet at WHL. Shades of Pinaer who only seems confident in the blue of Everton.
AVB needs time and money, both might be in short supply at WHL
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Did D****** get a game with Fulham this year before his transfer? If so, we won’t be able to move him on in January and will therefore be stuck with the clown until the end of the year.
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November 18th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Watching Berbatov being so involved and always wanting the ball, as well as showing fight and passion is probably the saddest part of the weekend.
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November 18th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Good piece H but when you refer to “reinforcements” are you referring to the kind of business Levy mixes in which is second rate cheap options or real quality that comes with a large price tag ?
Come January will we be bringing in a Willian or Mouthino? Of course not, we’ll pretend we’re after the big fish, the real super star that will make the difference, the final piece in the jig-saw but what we’ll actually deliver is 2nd rate and just another stop gap player (Dempsey).
So, in my mind we should probably stick with what we’ve got as there’s enough chaff in the current starting 11 to enable us not to have to buy more..
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CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Can’t help thinking that Spurs mgmt=Cincinnati Bengals football mgmt.
Here we have ownership dependent on team for a profit, hard headed GM who won’t take a flyer on big talent, revolving door field managers subservient to the CEO, a smaller market and resulting occasional forays into the upper reaches of the League that can’t be sustained.
Sound familiar? With Lewis ownership and Levy at the helm, the future in N17 will mostly look like that too.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
We need a replacement for Parker – I’m unconvinced he’s coming back at all.
And we need a proper version of Dempsey aka a utility striker player.
Will Levy & Co buckle up and hope that Dembele + Kaboul will ‘do the job’? Possibly. But then it’s down to AVB to talk to the press like Brendan Rodgers has.
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CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Very spot on. Levy has AVB in a terrible bind. Let’s hope he has some honor and opens the cheque book in January.
Prescient of you HH to note the absence of PNB. Few remember how much he picked things up when he came over.
I agree with you. He may be done. Too bad.
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Bukkake-breath Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Don’t know what’s happened with PNB he was player of the season last year and he said in August he’d be back I’m 6 weeks??
Bukkake-breath Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
You mean like a rafa van der vaart??
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East Stand Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am
That’s the one… a quality forward playmaker who could play behind the striker or out wide if Lenny disappears up his own arse like he did on Saturday.
Rafa Van Der Vaart… ahhh that name is just music to my ears. It calms my very soul and even helps remove the insomnia inducing sight of Clint Dempsey running about and doing fack all from my closed eyes while trying to get to sleep at night!!
jfdit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I think a replacement for adebayor may be more of a problem, defoe looks like a park player at times, give him time to think and his finishing goes to pot, anything instinctive and it’s in the net
dempsey needs to find his fulham mojo PDQ, he was an awesome player for them as the stats show, maybe we need to play to his strengths and play him up front at the sharp end
if parker is f*cked we’d be better off making a cheeky bid for marin, he’s apparently ready to bale out at cheatski and would do a similar job as modric did. In the alternative Tiote at newcastle looks quality.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Yeah Griffin Park.
Dempsey has gone down with the same bug Pienaar had. I’d give him the same treatment.
The Parker issue is I guess why we were (seemingly) in for Moutinho.
November 18th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
The man, doesn’t have it. We are playing ugly football, and I don’t enjoy watching us play anymore. I don’t know if he’s blinding them with science; I’ve seen more movement from Madame Tussauds; we seem so ridged (no jokes please). I can see us losing the next 4 prem matches. The fact of the matter is we’ve become worse under his tutelage, not better.
BTW I’m not talking out of my arse, if I was I’d be on BGT, and I’d be singing (out of my arse) the Prologue to Pagliacci; appropriate I feel.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Dear Chrispurs, please learn the rules. If you have an opinion that is anything other blind faith in the guy currently at the rudderless helm then the Thought Police kick in and tell you to stop talking out of your arse.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Chris has been a welcome contributor for some time and as he predates you it only goes to cement how daft and insecure you are… ah well.
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November 18th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
All will be fish and chip paper by tomorrow night – need to move on – support the manager and the players for the good of the club – have a feeling there is something in this season for THFC – actually think AVB will prove many people wrong
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Blimey! I didn’t realise I’d have to share my island.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Don’t worry. You’ll still have loads of space.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
That’s not what my tailor said.
November 18th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
It is now obvious to even some Levy lovers that we have an unbalanced squad with no pre season to get used to different situations.
Starting the season mid september is so unhelpfull Mr Levy. Do hope you get the flack at the next home games and not Avb, who you failed to back as ever trying to do it on the cheap.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Maybe it’s obvious to all. Inc. Levy & Co. I could be wrong of course.
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November 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hope so, they have had long enough but still year after year the same mistakes.
Love to know how many multi millions have
been spent on the hiring and firing of managers in that time.
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Jury still out on the petite strawberry blond who learned to manage on Championship Manager (i kid you not!! He did when he was managing the British Virgin Islands under 21s or whatever it was).
Impossible to comment on Saturday’s game, the red changed everything and we didn’t compose ourselves well enough for the period after that. End of.
Bring on Lazio, let’s just move on, bored already…
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Bender is making eyes at us I kid you not
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Hartley Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 am
I was just thinking that what we really, really need right now is another ex goon…..he can cover for Adebayor the next time he decides that £175k is only worth 18 minutes in week one followed by week two and three off….
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November 18th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
I like dog’s arses.
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Dirty Bastard.
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November 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Loving all these stupid comments saying “AVB should have been more realistic with his transfer targets”. Just imagine the reaction if he had been and they weren’t enough to get excited about. “Why does he lack ambition?! We should be going for Moutinho!”
So fucking whiney.
As we all know, the deal is AVB gets us CL football. Let’s judge him in June because, let’s face it, he’s going nowhere any sooner.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
If we aren’t allowed to judge the manager until June, I guess that means by extension we can’t judge the football we are playing or even any of the players until then either. So what should we discuss in the meantime? The Middle East is hotting up again…
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 am
No its not about not discussing AVB.I think discussion is healthy reasonable but deciding this is not working is a little premature I think
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ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:02 am
I think that it’s fine and dandy to moan about what are clearly poor decisions from time to time and general drab play. I can’t see why anyone who states the obvious that we are playing like shit should be shot down as a non-believing fickle, fake fan.
AVB came here to prove himself, so let him do that. He deserves to be judged on a week to week basis, based on what he actually does and how the team perform. Not prematurely axed, but critiqued, good or bad. Nobody owes him personally their support, he earns it, that’s the job. If he starts to get things right more often than not, I’ll be happy.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 2:47 am
quite frankly I cant argue with that,but I find you do harp on the negative most of the time which leads me to believe that you are not judging him as much as have judged him already which makes your intellectual post pretty well obsolete
TMWNN Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Well said LLL, how dare you use the comments section to give an opinion that might upset the happy clappers.
Happy clappers beware; contains criticism of VB and Levy:
http://mcnamarasband.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/have-we-embarrassed-ourselves-enough-yet-another-nld-defeat/?
TMWNN Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:42 am
There were also a few who were adamant that playing strong sides in the losers’ cup was a good idea.
Do they feel the same, or do they now understand that the league must be prioritised and that competing in all competitions with this squad was nothing but an over ambitious pipe dream?
ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Ronnie, perhaps it looks that way or perhaps there hasn’t really been that much positive to dwell on so far?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Thats true 3L,there hasnt been much to cheer about.I dont even have a lot of faith now.But its still too early to decide whether the project will work or not.
I remember that Pat Jennings had a horrendous start to his beginnings at Tottenham and if Nicholson would have pulled the plug then,we wouldnt have known what it was we were getting (as it was we let him go too early)
In AVB’s case,I have a huge doubt about his ability to stir the troops up but I am still hanging in for his system to work. I wasnt a proponent of Redknapps Have a Go sensibility but AVB has not yet proven so far that he has the ability to think his way though this either.
Belief carries a lot,I dont mean me,I mean the players,but still this could work.Its still early.
He has had his fair share of injuries,he has had Levy’s limitations but still he has to find a way,of which he hasnt yet.
We have yet to see Kaboul and Dembele and Parker back and maybe another striker come january to really have more evidence
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
yes and BAE
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I agree with all of that. My consistent negativity is probably provoked in some part by the hollow excuses and consistent avoiding reality of the blindly faithful. AVB is a football manager, so we are told. As soon as he starts showing he’s a good one, most derision will cease remarkably quickly. It’s really that simple.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Good conversation so can we agree for now not to Boo.
When the Sh*t hits the fan Ill tell you and at that point you can send in the F15′s with my good blessings
November 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
flukit
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Dontcha wish your left back was fit and well…….Dontcha?
I do…..
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melcyid Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Bennys absence has affected us in a massive way much more than just his position.
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Billy Legit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Disco’s absence has affected me personally in ways nobody could ever imagine
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November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Bentner? Leeev it arrrrt right narrrr!!!!!
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Problem is we still havent replaced our best from last year..Modric, Rafa, Ade (having hardly played) and Harry (joke).
Huddlestone simply should not be playing. Even Carroll looked better than him, stick him in there. Have we lost every league game that Huddlestones started?
Well done for deciding to go with Ade and Defore, little as that lasted. And well done for the changes. Commentator where I was watching said that AVB has been considering playing 3 at the back and no full backs permanently??
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Considering the state of our full back positions, mightn’t be the worse idea semi-permanently at least.
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Alan Sugar paid 1mil out of his own pocket to buy Lineker,to Essex 76.
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jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 am
you do tell some tall stories
lineker signed for us in ’89 sugar didn’t land until ’91
mr sugar did very well out of spurs – 40 million profit for taking a club backwards, not bad work if you can get it
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onedavemackay Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Did Sugar leave the club in a worse or better position than when he took over?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I think he left it in a better position than it was under Scholar that’s for sure, but Smaltz Herrings and all that eh?, and a nice little earner to boot!
jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
with the obvious benefit of hindsight I feel a worse position, our rivals have gone on to better grounds, trophies, champions league etc etc, we’ve just turned into the butt of everyone else’s jokes. When sugar left our debt was identical to when he took over – so much for a saviour?
what have we actually achieved in and since that 22 year period?
we’ve won two league cups and qualified for the CL once so unremarkable is an understatement
our ground developments have been so forward thinking that we need to knock down what scholar & sugar built and start again, if and when we get the ground built we’ll have an enormous debt hanging round the club whilst our rivals are virtually debt free or close to clearing their debts – unless Lewis decides to do an abramovich and convert the debt into equity
Did you see cheatski posted a £1+ profit to comply with FFP last week? Hidden in the small print the small sum of £166.6 million of debt written off – how the fu*k can we compete with that?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
@fdit-That’s as much about timing as anything else-Scholar tried to elevate the club, by floating it and starting up various business’ to raise money-his vision was for us to be antop club, but knew we’d always be top 6 without additional income. Unfortunately he didn’t know about the property crashes etc-and ran up a huge debts-resulting in our near bankruptcy 1991. We were skint at the wrong time-and Sugar being a pragmatist-ran the club as a business, which was great if we were to survive-but not good if you wanted fantasy football-the rule od thumb-is look at us and Arsenal before 1993-and you’ll a fag paper between them-22 years on, with their CL in the coffers, banked over 15 years on the trot- you tell me?
jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
EI76 – whilst I’ll concur sugar did a holding job, my overriding opinion is one of disappointment, sugar’s business’s outside football such as Amsprop Estates Ltd prospered massively in that period and still form most of his wealth. Maybe if the club had been tied into that group the present situation would look more positive.
You’re right about timing and we always seem to be off key, my field is development and commercial funding at the moment is nigh on impossible to get at sensible rates/ratios even with plenty of cash in the business – I’m intrigued as to how we’re going to progress the scheme which we obviously need to go forward as a club.
I am still waiting for news as to when/how the ground will get built, I’ve seen that we’ve levelled half the tottenham high road and works to the supermarket are underway.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Things are taking shape, but I’ve a gut feeling that the OS thing isn’t quite dead yet, just a hunch and as we now own most of the area around the Lane-we’re in a good financial position either way. As for SAS, anyone who calls us Hotspurs, yet comes from the area (he actually went to my school), had no interest in football-but selling sat-dishes, definitely clinched the deal,but he made no bones about it either. You can call him anything you like-but a more honest bloke I’ve yet to meet. Was he good for us? well we were good for him-but he was conned into it at the end of the day, wasn’t he?
jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
sorry mate, Levy’s OS plan is dead in the water, that place will be a white elephant even with the spammers in there now they’ve insisted on the track staying.
my own calcs on our scheme make interesting reading if you like that sort of thing:
285 flats @ an average value say 250k (high I know but this is best case!) gives about £71 million in revenue and probably about £20-25 million in profit
110,000 sq ft supermarket will probably be worth circa £90 million with additional commercial space difficult to put value on but it’s not very profitable so equates to 6-8% yields overall giving a property producing £7 million a year income. Profit on this I’d expect to be £30-35 million but supermarkets are rarely owned by developers for long, they do sale & leaseback deals to free up capital.
all in all the numbers are very tight hence why I presume we’re asking for so much in naming rights allegedly?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
As I understood it, Sainsbury have ‘lumped in’ with their own costs, or is that wrong?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Meant to add, Yes, I noticed the Chelsea ‘profit’ figures-but also observed as to why nothings been highlighted in the media about the massaging of those figures either?
jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
normally the likes of sainsburys would buy the shell and pay the fit out costs, then a pension company would buy the whole lot and lease it back to them for a fixed yield.
I honestly don’t know how levy’s structured this deal, he may of sold them the land but as we’re having some of the commercial space it may be JV with us supplying land with them paying for the build costs.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
As you appear more clued up, would you say it’s a viable scheme or one like the Goon’s that will take a while to produce funds for the team?
jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
honestly I think it’s a close call for a number of reasons but mainly the borrowing/holding costs – do the maths yourself, estimated project costs of £400 million would incur interest at £32,000,000 a year @ 8%. Holding costs are the achilles heel of a developer’s business and need to be managed effectively, the quicker you develop and sell the better.
That said reduce the borrowings after selling the flats & commercial elements and your interest bill goes down but in the end viability will depend on number of factors, firstly the amount achieved in naming rights and secondly the final expected extra revenue generated by the stadium. The goons got 15 million a year over 10 years including shirt sponsorship for their naming rights but also secured a low rate on their borrowing.
Finally is security for the money borrowed, do we put our 1st team up as collateral or will Lewis underwrite the deal?
Interesting to see how they get it done but I’m not expecting the new ground to transform us too much just keep us in touch.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I’m speculating that Lewis will underwrite the deal as it’s his forte isn’t it?-with him being chairman of ENIC and they being an investment Co primarlity-perhaps it’s why they bought into us intially? Also are our partners in this venture AEG or something like that,those responsible for the Dome and other stadia globally? Hopefully at least one them with have a calculator handy-but in any event-I’ve never heard of anything like this going to budget and it certainly won’t put us among the Oil-Riche clubs-anymore than it’s worked for those over the road-they still have sell because they can’t or won’t compete with them.
PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Still think I’m right
Or was it a dream.
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jfdit Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
get your coat
PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Sugars payout 25 mil?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Get you’re facts right-Lineker was bought in 1989 after we sold Waddle to Marseilles for a record 4.2m, you’re thinking of 2m Sugar paid for Klinsmann in 1994!
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Bought from Japs 1 mil
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Sold to the Japs-for 1m!
PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Must be the weather
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am
PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Daws for captain.You can see more from the bench!
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November 19th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I want AVB to be a success at our club,been waiting a long time to move ahead of the also ran brigade.Arry to his credit did this, then he threw it all away because he was a self serving disloyal c**t.The Club has only a certain amount to spend on players and wages,Sig/Dempsey looked a good bet within our budget,it is not working at the mo but i believe it will.With a fit squad we are a match for any team,like to see us play Carroll+Falque,worried about Dembele fitness,love the banter but ball not man seems to be some peoples forte,pity,IMO it is the differing opinions that makes the site so enjoyable,COYS
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Man not ball
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November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
I was reading AVB’s comments post match saying we controlled the game. We did for the first 20 mins. Bizarre interview all round after that. This marriage is only going to go one way i’m afraid and it’ll end in a messy divorce. For me AVB is not up to it, he’s lucky to be our manager and I just think he’s not cut out for the Premier League. Not an improvement on Harry which is what we were wanting. Be interesting to see what happens when certain players come back but even so it will be a real up and down season. We shouldn’t expect anything else.
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kranky Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am
His comment on Sky that we will cope without Ade is typical of a man who hasn’t a clue. He has young players in the under21′s and elsewhere who might (just might) cut the mustard at this level if they were given a chance now that ‘the bean pole’ is out. But he won’t give anyone a chance. He’ll get, maybe 3 points against West Ham, Fulham and Liverpool and say we were unlucky. Truth is he’s not good enough.
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Provided we do enter the bottom six I think AVB should see out his contract.
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
NOT, F**K MUST BE THE WEATHER
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
All the HR fan club need a reality check. The guy was a hero to us all for what he achieved, but last season he demonstrated he could take us no further, both with his signings, and his inability to stop the rot once the England affair started that ultimately cost us 3rd and champions league football. If you took Modric and VDV away from Harrys team, he would not have achieved what he did with us, and that is the situation now faced by AVB.
Dembele looks an immense player, Kaboul was a rock for us last season, BAE is a proven PL left Back, Parker an England international and hugely important figure in the side. With all these players missing its no wonder we are not getting the results we’d like, and none of this is AVB’s fault. Do we honestly think HR would be doing any better with the players currently available? At least AVB is talking sense, putting some faith in younger players like Caulker and Carroll, and showing optimism for the future. Judge him after a season, once he can pick from a full strength side, plus make one or two re-enforcement in Jan. We are in transition and people need to have some patience and support the team and remember where we were when Levy, even for his failings, took over.
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Tommy_Puddle Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Spot on!
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Go girl
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
its no wonder we are not getting the results we’d like, and none of this is AVB’s fault
None of it? None? Nada? Zip?
At least AVB is talking sense
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-5-2-tottenham-spurs-boss-1444054
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
AVB FOREVER.
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November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
On a more historical note-I noticed the following. Two of the best managers we’ve ever had show the following….
Nicholson took over a team that finished 3rd, but in his 1st season we finished… 18th
Burkinshaw took over a team that finished 9th and got us relegated…?
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Pretty meaningless stats in the modern era.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
That’s why it’s a historical fact
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Fair enough!
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Was the Bill Nick season the same one as the Spurs 10-4 Everton result? I lived in Willesden then and everyone either supported the Goons or us. I can’t remember people supporting C*****a, I suppose there must have been some, I don’t remember them as I was too small then to have an opinion. Incidently love the canine, my Staffie would love him (her).
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Got two-one’s a full blown Rott (picture), the others half Rott-half Staff-but he looks like a giant Staffy-great dog though
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@BC-yes 1958-I’ve just been trawling the Spurs history-and there are so many myths about our glorious past, like games played, attendances, league positions etc, it’s just not true-when you look at the overall trend, we’ve been spasmodically a good side, with 2 exceptional periods bucking the trend-but a top 6-7 side at best. I mean some of the average attendance taken over an average year aren’t all that either-even the NLD didn’t always sell out 36-41k, when you consider our cap was 57-68k, that’s an awful lot of space-still, never mind eh? there’s always Sunday to look forward to!
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
I remember being in a 50,000 crowd against Liverpool October I think 1968 and there appeared to be huge gaps in the crowd. (We won 2-1 Greaves scoring both for us after Roger Hunt had given them the lead). But I loved standing up there and even on big days you could walk all the way round the ground,(Never did like sitting down). But you are right, they were usually unexceptional seasons, but we always felt we could win every match, unlike now.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Wasnt that the game where JG scored direct from a corner? Blimey I was only a kiddy but still remember that game or the goal anyway
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
TWITCHY FOR QPR
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do they have enough cash left for Harry?-because Joe Cole, David James and Sol Cnutbell are all available
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
It will be a labour of love for twitchy to try shove it up Daniels butt.
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
It’s perfect for him as the squad has about 200 players. He can have start flogging them off right away and buy the aforementioned. I’m sure Crouchy for QPR would be a good shout. Perhaps Becks is available on a morale-boosting training ground appearance? You know, Joe Cole was the best 11 year old he’s ever seen?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Deffo Crouchy-He’s played for Rangers before-and he always visits clubs twice-it’s as though he wants to prove to fans that he wasn’t really that crap the first time
November 19th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Well it’s another crappy away game out of the way. Ade has to take responsibility for the lousy challenge and what it’s cost the manager, the club and the fans. not only in this game but the next 3 fixtures.
Things are BAD and the manager needs players to become available before he has a chance to create any equilibrium for the squad. Don’t envy AVB at all right now, no manager in the Prem would.
With his history at Chavski, injured players, Ade suspended and a large group of fans expecting us to play like Barcelona I’m surprised he’s not a nervous wreck. At this rate, he wont need firing, expect him to hang himself by Christmas day.
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
No worries, he’s an elite, extremely highly paid hot-shot expert in his field. I’m sure he feeds off the pressure and will be figuring a way to beat West Ham using an ingenious 3-1-2-1-2-1 formation as we speak.
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A_Felching Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
You have to be a Chelsea fan, there is no other explanation for the muck you come out with
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LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
That’s it.
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Bloooooooo! and a devil worshipper, let’s not forget
November 19th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
We should be thinking about a new Manager – my vote is for ……….? bring Harry back.
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Cuppa Rosie Lee anyone?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
With 2 lumps of Lord Allen please
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A_Felching Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
What for exactly? Explain that if you can?
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November 19th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Well.
I don’t know about you…but I would never admit that my confidence is low before a match.
Particularly, if you were facing another London derby at the weekend.
I’m not sure Gallas is the man to recover the confidence, either. He isn’t exactly the bond keeping the team together.
Let’s leave AVB out of this for a minute and concentrate on the make up of the squad. And I don’t mean their eyeliner.
We have a club whereby we play at various different levels – from youth through to U-21 – so what have we been doing for the last three or four years? I cannot believe that we are producing players only suited to the lower divisions and loan periods to teams like Millwall, Yeovil and others.
Where exactly, are the players at 17, 18, 19 20?
If Liverpool are producing youngsters and Everton providing players for the first team and even Southampton are producing kids that can attract mega bids from top clubs – then where are ours?
I’ve a sneaking suspicion that we are too scared to blood some of our kids for fear of criticism from our own fans.
Bring in Carroll and Coulibaly now and get them used to the first team set-up and then on to “do a Wellbeck, Stirling and Jack Butland.
What have we got to lose, exactly? We are hamstrung with injuries to Parker, Dembele, Ekotto and Kaboul – and a suspension to Ade. We are suffering from three years of youth non-progression. Ledley was our last home grown star and Caulker is well on the way to emulating him – but I cannot see why we do not have a striker to replace Ade.
With a training ground like ours and a chairman who is attuned to a good business plan, I fail to see the reasons for the non-production of kids to adults. Our Youth system is a feeder club for Brentford and the rest.
And I’m pissed off.
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BrizzleSpur Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
You’re right. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We’ve seen a lot of the senior players go out and under-perform. Lets let the kids loose! If they do well then Mr Levy will treat them to pizza hut after the game!
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November 19th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
We’ve never really produced youngsters en-mass when you analyse it, which was why I was so pleased last season to see the likes of Kane, Carroll, Henricks etc, play in competetive football in front of big crowds-and I would’ve had no problem in watching the same again this season-it was an opportunity few clubs could offer and what a great way to blood them!
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Bruxie Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
We’re down to the bare bones up-front.
So why not go for it?
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Absolutely-we played a kid up front last season or perhaps the season before and he looked useful, but I can’t for the life of me think of his name-big lad, very raw-but had something about him?
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Cameron Lancaster?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
That’s the fella-cheers Unc-what’s happened to him?
UnkleKev Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Haven’t the foggiest. But like you, he made a big impression on me when he came on for his 15 mins of fame (against Wigan, I think it was).
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Just Goggled him (now then ,now then) played on loan with Dagenham 4 games no goals-and yes, it was a sub appearance V Wigan, but I thought he looked the part during his cameo.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Couldn’t find anything of value on the ‘official’ website about Lancaster’s current whereabouts, but I did find this video entitled ‘Souley’s Scorcher’ (featuring a beaut of a pass by Tom Carroll if I’m not mistaken).
https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/index.page
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Dunno who we have striker wise? Kane out on loan and crocked. At least Ade can play against Lazio, eh?
It’s actually pretty hard to develop and produce PL standard footballers, especially in this country where the academy system is behind that of many countries in Europe for various reasons. That’s why there are relatively few English players in the top teams. We are down to the bare bones up front, yet we have one of the national sides leading strikers!
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Bruxie Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
And we have very good strikers at Nextgen and U-21.
Get ‘em in.
What exactly have we got to lose?
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
That depends – do you mean for the premier league or the ropa dope?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Yes, Forgot about Ade being available TBH, perhaps giving Defoe a break will be good as well.
That aside.Look at the stick Livermores taken on here-and he’s still WIP,even Kane began to get it, and that’s when young players need the crowd’s confidence mostly-but I cannot understand why Falque isn’t at least in the PL squad more often? He’s a bit harem scarem- but sometimes that ability alone works
Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Been thinking about our youth players on the recent past and apart from King, the last major influx of home growns must have been during Venables’ time Barmby,Judas,Carr,Walker, but was that TV or Pleat’s influence?
LLL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Perhaps a bit of both and neither? Just luck, circumstance etc.
To give Levy credit, the new training ground etc is part of a major effort to improve the youth development. Apart from anything else, it is financially shrewd. If you can produce even 2 first teamers per decade it will likely be a smaller investment than the millions spent on pro transfers.
Bruxie Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Yuo are correct about the stick from the crowd.
Defoe is good for Sunday. Provided we don’t get him injured in Rome.
FFS. Get the kids in and stuff the ropa-dopa.
November 19th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Does anyone want to form a team to do this?
Looks like it might be a laugh…
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Reckon those who stayed for the full 94 mins on Sat deserve a free shirt at least-now that’s supporting your side
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
The direct from a corner that Greavsie scored was our 2-1 win against them at the end of 66-67 season. The 68-69 winner was hilarious. Spurs got a free kick just outside the box and there was a hell of a row with the Liverpool goalie Tommy Lawrence as to whether the ball was handled just outside the box with Lawrence continually demonstrating where he thought the ball was by continually banging the ball just inside the line. As the row heated up Greavsie casually walked up to the ref, muttered something in his ear and booted the ball in the empty net. The ref gave the goal. One could say that the Liverpool players were less than impressed by the decision.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Strange, I don’t recall that-but can something a year or so earlier, especially as I was only about 9-but I suppose that’s the beauty of being there and not having the benefits of TV etc.
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
It was M.O.T.D (there was only one in those days), with Kenneth Wolstenholme moralizing and trying to suppress his admiration for Greavsie’s quick thinking and audacity.
November 19th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2235107/Andre-Villas-Boas-notepad-stop-Tottenham-losing-Arsenal.html
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BrizzleSpur Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I can’t believe some1 actually wrote an article about AVB using a pad and a pen to write stuff down.
Shock Horror!
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Gary Neville gave Bale some stick tonight on Monday Night Football.
Good analysis of why you need someone in front of your fullback. Especially with ten men.
I like Neville. He couldn’t give a monkey who he criticises.
And he’s earned that right.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Best man in the business in my lifetime, Neville. Speaks common sense without fear or favour.
I’m amazed someone at a TV station employed him. They normally go for complete idioits.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Is that irony or just a typo?
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Agree. He oozes class in that analysis role. I know he is with England but you wonder if he would like a go club management…………..
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TMWNN Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:12 am
How can anyone with a Mancunian accent ‘ooze class’?
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Wet sham not looking great. How on earth did they win the world cup! I reckon our best home performance of the season should be enough to secure a draw .
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Don’t worry, when we sack AVB, Mark hughes will be available. Yippee
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
**jumps off cliff**
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Bruxie Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Boy clings to Cliff all night.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Is that a revelation?
Now then, now then…
4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Be careful what you wish for.
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November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Dempsey haters, eat _____.
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cincinnatiyid Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
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cincinnatiyid Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Something went astray. Tried to link you to Deuce’s winning American player of the year. The fault is not in Dempsey, but in how he is being employed.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Yes, but to be fair, winning American player of the year is no real great shakes, now is it?
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Smog Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Dempsey is putting minimal effort in. Of course it’s his bloody fault
November 19th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
The summation of the individual performers was about right.
I’m getting ever more anxious about our season. Missing Parker, Kaboul and Bennie for pretty much all season has really cost us and to lose the one player who looked remotely like filling the Modric/VdV void was pure devastation. Nearly as devastating as seeing a Spurs team play the reds of Arsenal in a 1920′s Blackburn kit!
I suppose the knee jerks will be baying for the head of AVB even more now. But now is not the time to blink. Not now, not until we get our players back, do some decent January business and get to the end of the season.
Top 8 and it may be worth perservering but anything less and it’ll probably be time to blink, I’ll be blinking like Fred Scuttle with Tourets.
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East Stand Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:51 am
Well said Vic, people need to calm down. However once we get Moussaka back and possibly BAE and things are still all over the shop then people will be really asking what has he brought to the party exactly. Apart from his notebook and the introduction of 4231 course…
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November 19th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
LLL for next guest on hhhh lets shake it up a bit not that I agree with him but meh I’m an adult lets talk…
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melcyid Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Yid Trotter is the one I’m waiting for,
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November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
LLL answer is above!
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melcyid Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:30 am
I have enough daily dealings with argumentative bolshie people so a little lighthearted eccentricity goes a long way with me when not at work.
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November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 am
but we have come for an argument….oops sorry its the kumbaya room..
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melcyid Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:55 am
someones vexed my lord kumbaya
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Sorry, this is abuse, an argument is just down the hall….
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:47 am
I wonder if my wife is really Pamela Landy. Uncanny resemblance…..
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Sorry this is the department of silly managers,silly players and silly fans,we only argue.
We have no idea whether our manager is brilliant,stupid or still studying,we boo but when an arse or chavs fan comes on THEY are worse than US.
We have a captain here on the site who might go down with the ship or could possibly be the next messiah…the difference being possibly one sending off.
There is nothing quite like being a Tottenham supporter,its an alternate universe for sure……
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November 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am
http://thepremierleagueowl.com/ian-wright-laying-into-tottenham/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ian-wri
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