Posted on Saturday, 17th November 2012 by Harry Hotspur
Good evening job seekers.
5-2 eh? That wasn’t very nice, was it? Well, that agreed I had asked the boss yesterday for a 442 away and bless his strawberry blondeness …he obliged. That tactic undoubtedly gave us something of an initiative – because we scored. Also we looked at that stage as if our frailties might stand more than half a chance if we took that approach.
So to the Adebayor thing. I know many of you were not watching on Sky so it may not bore everyone to share that Gary Neville said that he felt that Togo’s finest was ‘too pumped’ prior to the kick off. The bottom line with that challenge is that had it been executed on Bale or Azza then you me and even the woman next door who only heard it on the radio while she was doing some ironing would have been up in arms.
The bring back Arry mob have of course raised their Troglodyte heads. Idiots crowing, ‘I told you so’ are achieving what exactly? If they could summon up a coherent argument that even vaguely touched upon us throwing away a 2 goal lead with 11 men and a far far superior squad under that schmuck then perhaps they might care to expand.
As I said to a pal earlier, I’m emotional as a fan; yet I now no longer invest too heavily in personnel. So me backing AVB isn’t a Villas-Boas centric campaign, rather wishing the current guy managing Spurs well. If the boss behaves like Arry did when Arry became ‘distracted’ from the pass then I’ll be the first to suggest we bin him.
Where the gaffer did the business for me was in his substitutions. We’ll do some analysis in the am, but whilst I’m fed up, I’m not angry. January will be pivotal. This side urgently needs reinforcements.
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November 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I SECOND THAT……..ROLL ON JAN
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November 17th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I disagree on the Red Card. Here in the States the tackle did not look vicious. This is the THIRD red Webb has given Ade. Meanwhile he treated others, including Sandro as if it were afternoon tea.
The substitutions were good AVB was trying his best. To me. Gallas is way over the hill. Pension him off. He screwed up on at least three of their goals and he has no pace left.
When Kaboom and Bennie are back he weds to go.
BTW De mosey was giving it plenty in the second half, as was Daws. Lay off of them both.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I don’t know what view of it you had in the States but here in UK it was clearly dangerous and a definite red card.
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Mark Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Vicious has nothing to do with it. You are simply not allowed to go in with studs showing full stop. Couple that with both feet off the floor and you have a tackle where you are not in control.
In today’s game it is 100% a red card. Ade has to hold his hand up to that one.
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Alspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:31 am
It still think it could have been called a yellow and no-one would’ve batted an eyelid…
Was it reckless – undoubtedly (definition of a yellow card).
Was the tackle executed with ‘excessive force’ (the definition for an automatic red), I would say no…
It was a one-footed tackle; he caught Cazorla’s foot fractionally after the ball had gone; he seemed to be attempting to win the ball.
“Studs were showing” always makes me laugh – it’s almost impossible to execute a sliding tackle without studs showing, especially if the ball is above the ground.
It was a crazy tackle and a yellow card all day long, but I still don’t think there was excessive force or a desire to harm the other player, so no red for me.
http://watchhighlightsonline.blogspot.com/2012/11/video-adebayor-red-card-vs-arsenal.html
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James the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
STUDS SHOWING? There is no law against this, it is either violent conduct or serious foul play. He was in control, he was at full stretch and his trailing leg was no danger at all, Cazorla was fouled nothing more. When FIFA explicitly outlaws the sliding tackle, the STUDS SHOWING debate will become defunct. Football, last time I checked is play with the feet & as such must be ruled a contact sport, you people ratifying Webb’s (and other refs) dreadful decisions such as this one are going to kill the game as we know it.
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James the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
‘in today’s game’ Sorry, were there some new laws ratified in the past few days changing the laws of football? Did it become a non-contact sport? Did 50/50 ball become a gimme to the player closest? You people. Go watch basketball or handball or something… It is not okay to ruin a ‘match’ after 10 minutes because of a bad tackle. YELLOW all day
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Tom Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
James mate, there is supporting your team – and then there is talking shite like you are. It was not a 50-50 ball, he went studs up 2 foot off the ground, and caught Cazorla on the ankle. Stop being a mug, you’re making us look bad.
November 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
De mosey? Maybe so. Today, Dempsey.
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I second that Harry,
Loved the line-up, Loris, 442, everything, substitutions even, bar of course dempsey who is obviously not worthy of the shirt, which by the way is ugly and not fitting of a football team,
Damn, that was just not good
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
I’ll be the first to admit that I haven’t been AVB’s biggest fan, I have disagreed with most of his tactics and substitutions! But credit when its due, he played a formation today which I think 99% of us would have agreed with. Starting with a top two of Ade and Defoe was the way to go, take it to a struggling team, not just sit back and try to counter…and boy was it working…I really felt we were gonna give em a pasting.
Ade smacked of Crouch in that Real Madrid game, a stupid and pointless tackle. We have given Arsenal the confidence to push on, just when we should have been crushing them (like last year). That is our biggest loss, a win today would have left them broken but it wasn’t to be. Now we have also lost Ade for 3 games which leaves us back to square one, one striker and passive counter attacking football.
Lets just pray that AVB saw enough of us here today to give this system another go.
I cant stand this ‘we told you so’ attitude, we are Spurs fans and should act that way. No we dont agree on everything, of course, it would be f**kin boring if we did, but when people are on here insulting others opinions, its a joke.
We lost the battle today, but you know what…that first 20 minutes gave me new hope. Hope in the team, hope in our play and most importantly hope in our manager…his half time subs went against everything I thought about him. Maybe this guy knows his stuff after all.
Losing 4-2 away from home with 10 men was gutting but boy did I smile as the 2nd went in…the emptycrates fell silent, who would have thought they were winning by two! Shows the lack of confidence they have at the moment.
So with great players coming back, the top four teams have all been player, AWAY…yes we lost the battle today, but for the first time this season I believe this time, we will win this war!
COYS
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FreundsArbeitArmy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Seconded RE: Crouch tackle vs. Madrid…too pumped indeed. Mindless mindless mindless.
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AllWhiteMark Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Trouble is it’s gone mid November before he sussed that out? Not exactly rocket science to play our best team and tactics, as discovered by previous managers, is it?
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James the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
which previous managers were they then? Jol? Ramos? Santini? Graham? Francis? ahhhh you mean that shameless crook Redknapp!!!
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
From the start I was very pleased well crafted goal, the sending off unfortunate, unecessary unlucky.
Huddlestone for the equaliser pathetic, him Gallas and Walker please take a break!
Substitutions positive, he tried and it was a brave attempt.
We need the lads back and we will be beating teams like this, plus a little boost in January.
BTW I assume Caulker injured?
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Yup. Sustained whilst scoring his goal against Sweden, apparently.
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AllWhiteMark Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Remember Walker last season? Is this down to the player or the management style? we shall see.
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I really think there are positives from this game despite the score. We started with a team a lot of people wanted and we bossed them whilst we had 11 on the field and I think with that formation with Ade linking midfield and attack then we will win matches. Going in 3-1 down at half time I was getting depressed but really pleased with the substitutions afterall what had we to lose. AVB took a chance and it could have paid off. Huddlestone needs to practice taking corners so it was good to see Caroll get a chance. I think we glimpsed a bit of the future today and it doesn’t look too shabby.
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PeeLee Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I thought that Spurs’ play up until Adebayor got himself sent off by the referee, the one who didn’t send off match-winning Balotelli for stamping on Parker’s head at Manchester City last season, had purpose and style. After that, it was just a matter of how many goals Arsenal would win by. Spurs had a go in difficult circumstances, using some good substitutions and shrewd tactics that with a bit more luck could have pulled the score to 4-3, because even when it turned 4-2 Arsenal looked rocky and possibly fearful of a 4-4 result. Take heart, fellow Spuds, still up there and anticipating the return of star players, but it’ll mean a few weeks of hit and miss results in the meantime. So let’s think and behave like grown-ups, eh?
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AllWhiteMark Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
ok you can take your rose-tinted spectacles off now. I said I’d give avb till xmas, well I’ve seen enough already; he’s a championship manager at best. We’ve won just 2 games by 2 clear goals; lowly maribor and villa, and even villa should have scored first when benteki missed a sitter. we’ve looked pedestrian and great players have looked confused and well below par – and now the ultimate joke; he’s goes back to playing a spurs team like martin jol would have!!! The win against mu was a fluke and they should have flattened us after fergie put his tactical errors right in the second half.
We’ve scraped past the likes of southampton and qpr,looked rubbish against west brom, norwich ect, bulldozed by a chelsea side that aint the best and should have been twonked by man city. Don’t even start me on the europa league fiascos.
What’s been worse than results though has been performances; dour would be an understatement.
If you think the return of dembele will change everything, well it might if avb learns from his gross mistakes so far; until dembele gets injured again…. Forget willian and moutinho too, we’re simply not good enough under this manager for the likes of them.
So if avb stops his dumb tinkering and takes us back to the way we played under hr or even martin jol then he might just turn it around. If not then its curtains and I believe levy should follow him out the door for lack of judgement, because to the outsider with half a brain this is starting to looking like ramos all over again.
Avb needs to drop down a league if he’s going to manage in england. Because at the moment its looking like his team selections are becoming more and more reactionary to external criticism.
Dont keep knocking the players as its obvious they’re confused and out of their depth. At this rate we will lose the good players we’ve got left.
Its a real shame as avb comes across as a nice bloke, but for me he just doesn’t cut it in the epl.
Bring back the spurs I know and love, the team that was once frightened of nobody. “Its all about glory” not trying to turn us into some boring continetal side.
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Bobbles Reply:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Its short-termism such as “I’ll give him ’til chirstmas” that ruins football clubs.
I for one would like to see him give 5, or even 10 years to learn his trade and perfect it at our club. We’ve been waiting long enough, what’s a couple more years?
He’s working hard and doing things the right way. He could do with being less miserable, but you can’t have everything
Let’s see what he can do when Levy hands him £50m and says “go buy no more than 2 players”. Then does the same the following year.
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Can’t argue with the Red, deserved by Ade. The jury is currently our for me on AVB until he gets to manage a team with Kaboul, Benny, Scott and Mousa all fit in the team. Results needed soon thoug or we are sliding.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
We will never have the luxury of having an injury-free squad, same as any other team. Best thing would be to get on with what we have available instead of waiting for something which will never happen.
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Spursman Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
I’m not asking for an injury free squad but we have been affected more than most this season. 2 of your first choice back 4 and your 2 (one would assume) first choice central midfielders as well. That’s more than most squads have suffered.
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PeeLee Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Preseason and early on this season, that trio of Sandro, Dembele and Siggy was ripping up opponents. At some point soon, let’s hope, all three are available for combined use in competitive games.
November 17th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Tottenham played with 10 men from the start, because Tom Hudlestone was watching another Premiership game for free. The poor midfielder had 3 touches and two of them went to an Arsenal player, including the corner he take. After the sending off we were reduced to practically nine men. Gallas time is definitely up for most of us, but for AVB. Young Tom Carroll was superb in the middle of the park, with his first touch good and exellent movement, he deserves to start and looks good for the future.
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Really fed up, not the performance-seen it all before-many times-actually too many times, what pisses me off are people on here saying I told you so-3 months ago!, Well 3 months was August, so what they’re saying is-they knew we’d have over a 3rd of the side out long term injured?-really!. I’m not an AVB fan, but I’m a Spurs fan-and I want nothing but the best for my side-after that I can do is get behind them. It’s nothing to do with amition, WTF has ambition to do with supporting your side? You can hope-you can cheer or boo, and you can support or not-but really that’s about it.
I said much the same when HR was in charge-but he had his 4 seasons, and then shot himself-with his own gun- in his own hand-right in his own head, with bullets he himself purchased.
I saw more about AVB today, than I have all season-and I’m far more supportive of him now than I was this morning.
Of course Gallas is knackered-but who else is there? and please don’t say Dawson-enthusiasm’s all well and good-but there’s also a need for an experienced head as well-perhaps Verts and Daws could form a partnership-but Kaboul and Verts would make a better one. Dembele’s almost there and BAE’s not far off, all of those mentioned are vital to the sides balance-so lay off AVB and judge him if and when he gets a full squad to choose from!
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Harry hater Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
And most of us real fans are fed up with muppets like you and Harry saying we have to accept this shit and be quiet.. If someone is shit now why wait??? If I start a new job and fuck everything up do you think I can say give me time I might get better!? No I’d get the sack. But you and muppet features Harry will be happy when we get relagated and then say we should have got rid of him after we lost 7 games in a row (wait and see) the blokes out his depth and you and Harry are muppets for slagging off real fans who don’t accept a team that can be top 4 being lucky to be top 10!
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Completely agree. We swapped Mr Trappy for Mr Dossier and out of the two I’d have the former any day. At least he did something with us in the PL.
It’s not all AVB though. We are paying the price for not investing heavily in the forward line in Jan 2012. Who do we have for next week now other than Defoe?
The root cause is Levy and the immediate risk is that he will not invest in the team this coming January either because he must know he has signed a pup with no hope of ever doing anything in the PL.
Let’s start the rebuild now. Send hin packing and give Sherwood a go.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Uh oh.
Spurstacus Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Let’s start the rebuild now. Send hin packing and give Sherwood a go.
Yikes. Are you Clive Thomas in disguise?
John Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Ummm, swap a pup with managerial experience for one without………..I think not.
Alspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Start the rebuild?? This is the rebuild, you halfwit!
Billy Legit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Sherwood Forest?!………are we after Robin fuckin’ Hood now?
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Don’t call me a muppet, you lightweight cop out merchant-I’m a supporter of the club-do you understand the term and what it entails?
As for investing? Do you think A-We’ve got limitless money to burn? B players and agents just roll over at the very mention of our clubs interest?
What I don’t do is use hindsight-unlike fidgety little plebs such as you whose elbow quivers at the first sign of a problem-you bugger off, over to the I told you so merchants and we the proper supporters will just carry on being supportive.
What planet are you actually from-because in all the years I’ve supported the club-I can’t recall us being anything other than the occasional cup side who played good football-now apart from HR and Pleat who actually hit the ground running, most managers had to rebuild and shape their sides before any challenge could be mounted-but idiots like you recall bygone days that are simply mythical, unless you’re over 70-in which case I’d blame a touch of senile dementia or delusional traits creeping-muppet!
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Essexian, he’s like this because he’s waiting for a knock at the door. Think ‘BBC’. Ignore the prat.
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Where’s my goat?
James the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
well said Essexian, what a cop out mug he is. I am sickened by these neo-yids. Fuck off to the Boleyn or Stamford Bridge, you lot are embarassing
SimYid Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I’m with you bud. This nob slagged Arry and was so pro avb that he can’t now slag avb without making a bigger nob of himself
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Despite the red card i felt spurs played really well, at one stage in the second half we had 64% posession which ain’t to shabby with 10 men. Arsenal were always going to win this one after the red card. You have to have 11 players on the field to stop them knocking it about which unfortunately they do so well. Red card for that challenege after that amount of minutes on the clock was harsh. West Ham will be the lithimus test AVB and hopefully we’ll have Dembele back
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
It matters not “how many minutes”, a dangerous tackle is a dangerous tackle, red card deserved.
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myheartgentlyweaps Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I think the system of punishment for those tackles needs to reassesed. It wasn’t a premeditated act of lunacy it was split second miscalculation and one team has to play with ten men for the remainder of the game because it, Spurs or whoever i don’t think its a fair price for any team to pay. The game was as good as over after the red card and strictly speaking you are correct it was a red card tackle but i don’t think that ruling in football is fair. I mean to say we have rules and regulations in football so we have fair smooth running games of football today the sending off went against that. A yellow card and a strong warning might have realigned Ade’s thinking and if not yeah send him off for then what would be deliberate endangerment.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Yes there needs to be an alternative if only because fans pay a lot of money and for only the most partisan of fans the spectacle is ruined.
Today I would sooner have had a goal marked against us or maybe we need a sin bin.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
It has nothing to do with “smooth running games” it has everything to do with endangering other players careers. If Ade had connected full on with Corzola’s leg he could have broken it. As I said, a dangerous tackle is a dangerous tackle and that doesn’t depend on whether it happens in the first minute or the last minute. You’re talking non sense.
myheartgentlyweaps Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
The second you step onto a football field any number of upredicatable permutations of events can result in horrific career ending injuries and no amount of over regulation can prevent that. Also it was that horrific of a challenge fair enough it was a bit on the high side but there wasn’t that much force on it and it wasn’t to the supporting leg.
myheartgentlyweaps Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
What is the advantage to sending Ade off versus shall we say ten minutes in a sinbin? This tackle is out of character for him everyone makes errors of judgement every now and again.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Try telling the guy with a resulting broken leg that the tackle was “out of character”. Dangerous tackles deserve a red card, “out of character” does NOT make the tackle less dangerous. Geez, can’t you see that???
CincinnatIYid Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Yes, a yellow and a warning would have been adequate. (A). It did not appear intentional; (B). Despite the histrionics, Cazorla was not seriously injured. He was back on the pitch after the briefest of intervals; (C) it was a high pitched game and loose play was to be expected; and to my mind the most important (D). Ade has been sent off 4 times in his career. Howard Webb has done it three of those times. Is this mere co-incidence?
Webb is obviously in MU’s pocket. Despite his terrific résumé I find him an often biased ref. Ade was careless and overly emotional, but this challenge was not like one I saw Ronaldo sent off for years ago where he went in with both feet to revenge himself on the other guy. Ade got Cazora on his off ankle with one shoe. The contact had no effect on Cazorla or the game. Webb’s call did. It did not have to happen.
frontwheeler Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I can actually understand we why he was sent off it didn’t look good in real time. But get a grip it was not dangerous. It was one footed the other was at ground level and not aimed at ball or player. It was late a foul and a yellow would have been sufficient. The player reaction and the likes of wiltshit running into the mêlée and pushing people convinced an official that don’t need much persuading to make decisions against us (don’t blame him tho).
Ade should not have made the challenge in the first place it was unnecessary, then their would be no debate.
Was not dangerous tho.
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munso Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I thought it warranted a red, whether the 1st minute or 91st.
Not saying Webb was swayed in any way, but it didn’t help that it was right in front of the arse supporters and it was an ex gunner. Imagine the reaction from the WHL crowd if S*L had done something similar. Matey staying down didn’t help the cause either.
The thing that makes me laugh is the time taken to get out the red, either Mr Webb was mulling over every detail of what he saw before coming to a balanced conclusion, or he was waiting for someone to say ‘Red card’ in his earpiece after seeing a replay,I know where my money would be.
(I personnaly, wouldn’t mind if this is the case, just wish they would be more honest about it)
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Gutted today but not overly worried.arguably our best 2 Defenders to come back in and Scotty n dembele to come back in.it’ll be a new team come January (decent striker as well).give Carroll a run as well he,looks good 4 a young player.
Keep the faith
Coys
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I can handle losing NLD (JUST), i can handle losing 5-2 with ten men (JUST), but what i struggle with is players & Mgmt smiling and joking with the opposition when leaving the pitch after getting their arse kicked!
Yes, it’s only a game and we all move on etc etc…But, i never see United players joking about after a heavy defeat to their closest rivals. Does anyone remember Rooney having a joke with any city players after a humping? Or Sir Alex sharing a smile with any of their players? Of course not, why, their winners, and we’re not. It expectable for Tottenham to lose 5-2 two years on the trot and share a cuddle and a joke before and after the game…
So, In summary, while i’m not calling for AVB to be sacked i am stating that his management style is soft and its spreading through the team which i’d like to stop ASAP.
Could you imagine Graham Roberts, Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, sharing a laugh and a joke with their rivals?….No, of course not !!
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Teddyboy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
You are so right, too much “business/”, way too little heart, this matters, and by this attitude you can see how much the employees care – , so they should all be treated as employees, and given an ultimatum, unfortunately, it wont work, but so sad to ser yes, and indeed why results wont come, our company and employees are happy at this level of performance
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Michael Staley Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
This is just silly. Professional footballers by and large have respect for each other. They are competitive on the pitch, but happy to acknowledge each others’ standard of play afterwards. Or would you rather that they hated each others’ guts, and beat each other up afterwards?
The animosity that some Arsenal supporters and some Spurs supporters have for the other club is ridulous, and well over the top. It’s rivalry FFS, not World War 3. These people are mercifully in the minority. I’m glad that so many people in this thread are able to acknowledge that the red card was justified; had an Arsenal player been red-carded for a similar act, I would have been happy to acknowledge that he deserved it.
I don’t doubt that Ade had a moment of madness, like he did when kicking van Persie in the head, but that doesn’t make him any the less culpable. He’s a good player; I admired him when playing, whether for Arsenal, Man City or Tottenham.
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PeeLee Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
I know. It’s like all those boxers that get in the ring and shake hands with their opponent, ffs, rather than get stuck in as soon as they climb through the ropes. Friggin’ jessies, the lot of them. And all that huggin’ and reassurin’ each other when the final bell rings and the decision is announced. So what’s all the blood and sweat been about during the fight? I pay my money, it matters to me, so why doesn’t it matter to them? That’s what I want to know.
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
It’s difficult to post.
Of course it is.
I haven’t got to the blame stage, yet.
I do know that I was surprised. At the clever way we played in the first tenty minutes.
It augers well.
I came away from watching that with a “Wait until we ar fit…” attitude.
Don’t despair, fellow Yids.
We’ll annihilate them in the new year…they are trul crap.
And we might have Walcott.
Instead of Dempsey.
Good night and good blogging…
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Don’t feel as bad as when we lost to Wigan. I’m positive; Spurs are gonna get better
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
A loss to Arsenal should always feel worse than any other. A 5-2 drubbing even more so?
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Spursman Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Shut up. Arsenal are a team that have historically been better than us for ages. Wigan are an egg chasing town team that fight relegation every season. A HOME defeat to Wigan is a lot worse than an away defeat to the gooners.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
A HOME defeat to Wigan is a lot worse than an away defeat to the gooners.
Speak for yourself.
And err. You shut up.
Spurstacus Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Egg chasing?
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Rugby league town he means
Spurstacus Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Ah. Respec.
Spursman Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Oooh, Italics. Scary. No you shut up.
November 17th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Glad to see AVB got it right today, from the formation and the starting 11 to the subs. Feel sorry for Lloris. Not his fault. Extremely disappointed in Ade. Stupid tackle. What was he thinking? Spoiled the game after what was a very bright start.
Agree about Hudd. He looks like he’s running in mudd (sic), and was to blame for the Mertesacker goal, which gave the Goons the belief they could go on and win. Carroll looks a far better bet, at least while Parker and Dembele remain out. Those two can’t get back fast enough for me.
AVB had better right this listing ship against the Spammers, but down to one striker now and I’m afraid more negative football awaits us. If only Levy had done what we all thought was necessary and stumped up for a descent damn striker (in addition to Ade) during the summer this wouldn’t be happening. Did he honestly think we would be fine with just Defoe and Ade, when the top clubs each have four quality front men from which to choose? Silly Daniel.
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bruno eruga-cohen Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I’ with most of what you say, my son. How the fuck we’re supposed to play the Spurs way with just two strikers, only one of whom usually appears at any one time defeats me. Jeez!
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
The team is mentally weak. Crumbles at the merest hint of pressure.
1-0 up and then down to 10 men should not have been the cue for a complete capitulation – which is what it was – those 20 minutes when they scored 3 goals won the game for them. 10 men can defend against 11, which is all that was required of them.
Our defence is too porous and some steps need to be taken. We have mostly been playing quite boring and unadventurous football yet we cannot keep a clean sheet for toffee.
AVB set the team out right today. He should have perhaps reacted to the sending off with some more instruction, perhaps a change of formation. His half-time changes were refreshing, however.
Saying that, his post-match assertion that we were the better team from the first to the last minute makes me seriously worry that he has voices in his head telling him lies and nonsense.
Lastly, Arsenal are very flaky themselves. The first 20 minutes looked like they were liable to let us in over and over. The last 20 minutes after Bale scored and the keeper wasting time at 80 minutes and 4-2 up showed that they also lack the minerals and vitamins to be consistent winners. I would personally put my money on someone other than Spurs or Arsenal finishing in the 4th spot this season.
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banks18 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Agreed
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November 17th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
No but then I could hardly imagine any of them you mention winning a game, poor point, why did you bother?
I’m gutted but a realist we will beat them at WHL when we get the lads back.
This team will improve massively after January if not before I am staying calm and we all should too, give out manager and club a chance to progress, talking about removing AVB now will be a step backwards, we need to allow him to buy a replacement for Modric and choose the best he has from a FIT motivated squad.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
All these assertions that we are going to be so massively improved after January – don’t you think this may be wishful thinking? And as for the injuries, what happens if, I dunno, Dembele comes back but Sandro gets crocked? Injuries are part and parcel of the game and why you have a squad and a manager capable of using it.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Not assertions. Hopes. By people that wish us to improve. Are you one of those people?
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Of course. Otherwise I would not still be here. Hope must be tempered with realism though. Perhaps my hope is coloured with too much pessimism. But you’re wrong – there is all this ‘we will be better after january / when we get our injuries back’ etc – not hopes, assertions.
Mark Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
We all hope Harry, that’s all we have but the Chairman has to live on reality not hope. We are all at the end of the day armchair managers and armchair chairman ourselves all rolled into one. Ours is the toughest job of all!!
November 17th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Bottom line jan will come and go no big names comming into midd table at best ! Avb good manger why have we only kept 1 clean sheet all season ! What’s he doing to prevent it ! Get rid now ! And safe the season !
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
If you are ALSO able to give me the Lotto numbers that win tonight’s jackpot I will not only bow to you, but buy you a top of the range speedboat called ‘I got HH to delete his blog’.
Otherwise, piss off you twit.
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paddtspurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Listen I like many fans who go to the games week in week out want this idiot out ! Same mistakes at chelsea all over again ! Bottom line is he’s out of his depth! Oh I’m a twit takes one to know one ! Unless people agree with ur veiws ther a twit u no what I won’t be back on here cause people like you HH or the ones who settle for second best And fact of matter is we got rid of best boss we had since Bill Nic !
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Jame s the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
do you fuck go week in week out. Twit
November 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
I’m loving stuff on here….”We’ll beat them when we get back to the lane” “We played well” “there shit”
I wish we’d won 5-2 and been totally shit !!!!
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Yes, while I thought there were some small positives today, I’m not really down with the general tone of happy clappy-ness following a 5-2 massacre at the Emirates.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
If you want to elaborate at any stage sweetheart – please do…
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
So annoying to lose to them…. They aren’t even any good… Felt for Lloris, no chance with any of the goals. Fair play to AVB Good team selection and good substitutions. And what about their horrible fans…. It looked like someone had died after they scored the third goal (I think). Pathetic…..
Like others on here, I feel better tonight than I did after Wigan….. Maybe we will be ok….. COYS.
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
It’s all well and good saying we played well for the first 18 minutes. However, as soon as the sending off occurred all Spurs fans knew the game was over. Why? Because Spurs have never had any mental strength. It does not matter who the manager is, not one has instilled any.
The players were given a ready made excuse. For some teams they make it difficult to play against – not with this team.
I think we are at a make or break position in the season. We need to change results over the next three games or we will be back to mid table mediocrity (or worse). Suddenly it could be a long season…..
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
That picture above is exactly the way I imagine LLL to look. Sorry mate.
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
You have quite a vivid imagination. I picture yourself along these lines:
http://www.justsaypictures.com/big-fat-geek.html
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
No offence.
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Spurstacus Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
That chap has a little more hair than I, but otherwise spot on.
ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
NICE calculator, and digging the retro phone. That’s a big look.
Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Cause more. Trust me, it is funnier.
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Can’t you get your old avatar back? The new one is quite scary.
Billy Legit Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Danny Kelly?
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Can we get someone in January who doesn’t just play for us but actually wants to play for us? We can’t afford “stepping stone” players. Not only will they not give their all, but they will spread a malaise throughout the whole team. I’m scared that people are looking at January for salvation but all we’ll wind up with is another dose of mediocrity. If you look at Man U injuries the replacements fight like tigers to get in the side. Score a goal and I don’t think “great”, I think “which way are we going to f**k this up this time”. Dempsey, what the hell are you? Go in the jungle with Ant and Dec and Nadine Dorres ffs. He looks like he’s been lobotomized, or an extra in “Night Of The Living Dead” which incidently is on tonight. Might prefer it to M.O.T.D. The comparisons between Dempsey’s performance and the lurching around of the undead might be edifying.
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
The Eyeballer is not as dismayed as he should be… we showed some fight and spirit and passion unlike the absolute turd we were served up last Sunday evening.
Lloris was good – he is lightening quick off his line and in this regard he acts as an extra defender. Friedel does not do this, and quite possibly if Brad was in goal we may have conceeded more in the second half.
We need a proper left back big time. Neither Vert nor Naughton appear up to the task. Benny can’t come back quick enough.
Dempsey was shite again – the ban ade will be serving must herald his last chance although, on what he saw today, young Tom Carroll must start against Lazio and then against the Spammers etc. His performance today was mature, silky and very encouraging.
Bale, Lennon, Defoe all contributed – Ade, you Plonker! It was game over once he was sent off, our focal point of attack was gone and fair play to the lads they dug in and did their best.
Fair play to the YID ARMY at the Emptycrates, again those lads and lassies were a credit to the club.
AVB – despite the scoreline, you have got a stay of execution. This performance showed there is something to build on – its over to you ginger ninja – lets get three wins from our next three games and things will look alot more rosier….
COYS!
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Last season a lot of friends of mine who are Chelski fans, were moaning about AVB & his management ways, I didn’t take much notice, I wish I had as he’s as bad as they said he was.
I didn’t much like Harry, but I thought he deserved one more season.
We can blame injures, Levys lack of spending & the wage structure. But the fact Of the matter is AVB, is out of his depth, I want him to do well, but that’s because I want Spurs to do well. I think the reality is, even with time, & I’m talking two seasons, we will only achive mid table & not much else.
I don’t like going backwards, but I think Levy should seriously consider biting the bullet & getting Rednapp back, & we’ll just have to put up with his crap, for the sake of Spurs.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Care to elaborate on what AVB did wrong today then?
Or are you just full of mindless waffle?
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
I am always wary of people who don’t make an actual point. Rather they mumble and refer to ‘as have many’ etc.
You’re an idiot, Mickey.
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Jame s the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH you fucking MUG.
LEVY DID NOT SACK HARRY, JOE LEWIS DID.
HE IS NOT COMING BACK, HE IS A CROOK
YOU ARE
MAKING
ME
ANGRY!!!!
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November 17th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ELELEL, you are spot on.
AVB is a totally inexperienced coach and he doesn’t seem to have a thorough knowledge of the game.
He doesn’t have a clue on how to organize a team in order to play in a SOLID and effective way.
Also he can’t inspire the players to respect him and to follow his instructions.
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Ginger Pubes Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I disagree. As I said above, AVB got his part right today. Unfortunately, he was let down by a striker who lost his head and by a certain midfielder who appears to have lost whatever talent and promise he may have once had.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
But he lost it years ago ( assuming he ever had it). He was out of the door in August. Now he starts very game and is still shite. That is erratic management.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Would you prefer Livermore instead? What other choices are there? You don’t suggest a better alternative so I have to conclude you are talking out of your arse.
the man from room five Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Dear 4ever,
eh… it’s called TRIAGE…that is , putting the least injured back on the front line… invented by the French at Dien Bien Phu…
(maybe that’s not the best example!)
Ginger Pubes Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Ah but alas Hot_Spur I DID suggest an alternative, and only one post prior. Carroll. Hindsight and all that, sure, and it would’ve been a brave decision (more so than starting, say, Lloris), but the young boy deserved to start this one based on his previous outing methinks.
Spurstacus Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I’m not 100% comfortable with AVB, but I’m certainly not against him. I want him to succeed because if he does we all do. However… He looked lost when the game started to go against us; scrutinizing his notebook for an answer. He may be talented, but what will he draw on if/ when things go wrong? His line up today was good and his substitutions were good, but we can’t afford to be a part of his learning curve.
He needs a season, and will probably get it, but this season is a top 6 at best.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I’d take being part of his learning curve if I thought it had a chance of going upwards but nothing I have seen this season has shown me that it will.
I wonder how he communicates with the squad. His monosyllabic interviews, using 50 words where 10 would do are boring as hell and indicates he is a theory merchant and better suited to a role with the Portuguese FA. His interview Friday was a joke; inferring that the Gooners’ upper hand over us on CL qualification was recent when in fact they have done it for 15 consecutive years.
We are not a big club any more, neither in terms of stadium nor financial clout. Redschnapps banged on about over achieving and it is beginning tp look as if he was right. So let’s regroup and build an increase in status rather than assume we are already a club member.
We should have got Moyes in as he has shown he can mange in our natural environment.
We are not a big club in the modern sense
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
English is not his first language, can you speak Portugese, French and Spanish fluently as he does?
I guess not.
Funk N Wagnall Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Hate to say it to such an undoubted master of the arcane skills of communication, but while AVB was rabbitting and you were earwigging, he was “implying” and only his listeners could have been “inferring”.
Nevertheless.
Off down the Bodleian for a pint’o gin. Pip, pip!
mystic arnold Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:03 am
I m sure that as long as he knows all the english swear words he can communicate with the average footballer
Jame s the James Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
We most certainly are not a ‘big club’ 2 league titles in more than century. We are not a big club in any sense of the words, we have a reasonable sized following due to population density of the capital city in which we are reasonably central. We have no right to be top 2, no right to be top 4, hell, no right to be top six. There are clubs in the Championship that are bigger than us Nottingham Forest have won 2 European Cups for God’s sake, Villa too have won Europe’s biggest prize. Blackburn. Wolves. Bolton. HUDDERSFIELD TOWN – all more successful.
I wish we were smaller, if we were we wouldn’t have to deal with so many feckin clowns as we are dealing with now as a result of our ‘success’ in recent seasons.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
More unfounded assumptions by an idiot.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
I think you miss the point entirely on language. His vocabulary is doubtless better than yours. It’s his delivery I referred to. Anyway I thought we needed to hire a football manager not a fucking linguist.
As to your previous point, Huddlestone can’t tackle so yes I would have played Livermore ahead of him although Carroll ahead of both.
Looking forward to your next superbly articulated comment.
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NYC Spurs Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:13 am
4 Ever – I think you need to accept that hotspur is one of those twats that knows absolutely everything. You make some good points and some that I need convincing on but criticism of your viewpoint, which you are able to articulately put across, makes him an ignoramus. AVB didnt do much wrong today but his team lack inspiration and fight and we definitely havent moved on and I dont think we will under his tenure (though i dearly hope we do). Rolling over and dying after going down to 10 wasnt acceptable and his assertion we controlled the game was just ridiculous.
November 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Fantastic performance – so many positives – if you can’t appreciate the unbelievable job AVB is doing, just bugger off and support some other club, because you’re not real supporters like Essexian and HH. Just one other thought – Adebayor is such a greedy and self-centred twat that I seriously wonder whether a nice three match ban suits him – he’s got to get ready for the African Cup in a few weeks time, and wouldn’t want to risk injury playing for the latest bunch of mugs forking out £20k per DAY for his invaluable services – another brilliant Levy signing!
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essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Intelligent reply Cheshuntboy (Still got some growing up to I notice?)-of course Ade thought exactly that(i)-your post says everything about you-Childish to the extreme, but then again you’re only a boy and footballs a man’s game
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Cheshuntboy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
As always, respond with abuse – it’s amazing; the AVB/Levy happy-clappers see themselves as modern and progressive, and yet on every website they reply to any criticism with vitriolic personal abuse, of the ‘eff off and support someone else because you’re not ‘real’ supporters’ – so very grown-up. As for Adebayor, he’s an irresponsible scumbag at best, a cynical mercenary in reality, and nothing about him would surprise me – a deliberate pre-Christmas break? Why not, because we all know that players engineer suspensions by incurring yellow cards for technical offences, and when you’ve got the worst specimen of the breed stinking out WHL, nothing about him would surprise me. However, even I’ll accept that he probably didn’t PLAN to get red-carded, but is he unhappy about it? I doubt it.
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Spursman Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Didn’t you start with the abuse by saying that anyone who didn’t share the view you sided with should “bugger off and support some other club”? Nobody is entitled to a different opinion to people such as yourself obviously.
Cheshuntboy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Spursman – It’s called ‘sarcasm’(look it up if you need to).
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Whatbthe childish repose of ‘real supporters’ well FYI if you actually read anything before putting your POV across, you’d note firstly I’m not a fan of AVB anymore than I was of HR’s-but during the latter’s reign I defended the football the team played because it was entertaining and very watchable-So,that made me a ‘happy clapper’ when I actually defended the team and NOT the manager-now perversely I’m again defending the team, and trying to understand the manager, so now I’m a ‘happy clapper’ but for a different reason-whereas I couldn’t care less what side you’re on or not for that matter-because it sure ain’t Tottenham’s right now is it? or do you only support, when things are going swimmingly?
Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Try reading before posting in future..’you bugger off, over to the I told you so merchants and we the proper supporters will just carry on being supportive.
November 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Not the best of day’s, I seen a manager who tried to change when things were not working. The same fixture last season I saw a manager sit in the dugout and not give a highland shite. We are a work in progress, we have gone from a go out there and run around a bit manager to someone who tries to change things mid game. AVB is the man , get behind him and the team
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November 17th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
The team was set up to take the initiative to them. Young Tom Carroll is a blessing in disguise with a great future. There were lots of positives for me and the weak links will become phased out in due course. There are no quick fixes however AVB is managing his best with what he has.
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eyeball paul Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
The eyeballer agrees sir hoofing – there were shoots of positivity today and the eyeballer believes we can build on them
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November 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Had we used the combined fees spent on Siggy and Dempsey to better effect (one really good box to box midfielder) then maybe we would be in a better place. Also, great as Lennon and Bale are, might it be more effective to only play one (Bale) and bolster central midfield in the difficult away games. Its sometimes about not losing as much as about winning. I’d settle for not playing the Spurs way for a few weeks to pick up some needed points. Having said that, I loved our attitude going forward today with 10 men…COYS
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myheartgentlyweaps Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I think siggy is a better bet than dempsey and i think he has shown glimpses and dare i say promise. Some of his through balls have really impressed me and think with a run of games he could grow into his position.
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Mark Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I think Siggy is better than Dempsey too, I’m just undecided at which club they should go to!
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the man from room five Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Dear Exchange and Mart
Wanted:
Box to Box Midfielder
Must have good engine
Recent MOT
Must be able to complete 3 point turn and reverse around corners
HELP!
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
just 2 things.
i still maintain we need some leadership steel around the back/middle.
good things sometimes happen by accident.
352 in the second half instead of 351 and we would have murdered them.
we totally ouTplyed tenm until the sending off.
well done AVB.
PEVERSELY, WELL DONE ADE.
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
outplayed.
PERVERSELY…
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I’m not jumping on a bandwagon when I say AVB is not the real deal…I said so when he was appointed and nothing I’ve seen has changed my mind. Our transfer dealing in the summer has also contributed to our current mis-shapen squad. But look at the results today – Chavski and Manure both got beat; the top four is still possible if we strengthen in the EARLY part of the January window.
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Distancing yourself from AVB H. A classic boardroon manoeuvre.
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I’d rather lose 5-2 trying to win than 3-1 getting everything behind the ball.
Name one other manager we’ve had in the last 20 years who’d have tried that
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Well, to be fair to Redknapp, though I’m not sure he deserves it, his approach was always cavalier. Perhaps why we also lost by the same score line last year?
I appreciate the half-time change around, it was good to see some positive action for a change. Note – for a change – most of AVB’s ‘tactical’ switches this season have been awful. But what worries me most is that we crumbled to pieces after the red card and effectively allowed Arsenal to win the game in the following 20 minutes.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
As opposed to crumbling over a 3 month period and losing a 10 point lead? The truth of the matter is simply, when we had it within our grasp our leader allowed the team to hit the rocks and flounder. Now you and I both advocated Moyes for the job-but like Harry and England he wasn’t approached, so it’s not even a talking point. Who else was available, because there was certainly not many candidates?
Levy has put his nuts on the line over this appointment-and so far has backed him, so I guess he’s not going to ditch him after a few months either-so instead of telling all and sundry levy’s got it wrong-how about keeping schtum for while-and waiting until the seasons over-and then judge both AVB and levy-It ain’t over till Venessa gargles LLL
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ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I don’t see how the two – crumbling against Arsenal and blowing a 10 point lead – are equitable in the slightest. And I wasn’t sticking up for Redknapp, just pointing out that he did play cavalier football.
I’m not really telling all and sundry that Levy’s got it wrong either. Just expressing my opinions as they come along. I wasn’t up for AVB, I am not up for sacking him now. I’m waiting for things to get better, like everyone else. I just perhaps have a lower expectation than some other people. If people weren’t able to say what they saw in front of their eyes unless it was totally positive then it would be quite a dull world.
ELELEL Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Also, at the end of the season, AVB will be compared to Redknapp, like it or not. 10 point blowout or otherwise, we finished 4th. Sacking a manager who finished 4th, the next guy has to do pretty good things not to be compared unfavourably if you are in any way objective about it (and I say that as someone who did not like Redknapp).
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
By Levy appointing AVB you are saying he’s got it wrong, what else are you implying? As for Redknapp, who said himself he’d have got the sack regardless of where we finished because of his own actions and self interest,what other option was available to Levy? If Moyes had been approached, there would’ve been an equal number of pro-whoever else on here bitching like jilted schoolgirls-because things aren’t going their way and how they love to right.If the same injuries occurred, whoever the manager was we’d still be struggling, you cannot compete at the highest level with half a side absent-that’s so flippin’ obvious it ain’t true
Mark Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Didn’t Christian Gross try to get everyone behind the ball?
Harry often went for it.
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
HH, good to hear that you’ve begun to acknowledge that the squad is desperately light and requires quality reinforcements. So to coin your favourite line of enquiry, care to elaborate on why that is?
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November 17th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Brilliant your now not a supporter of AVB?, anyone but Harry eh?
I would like nothing else than AVB to be a success but its not gonna happen. Correct Harry had the same scoreline last season be we also finished 4th which were not going to do this season.
We also played better football last season than in all our games this campaign.
Now I can actually see reasons for wanting rid of “that schmuck” but why not wait until there is a better manager to take his place?
The sacking and appointment have put us back years and in even bigger danger of our only world class player leaving.
Saying “i told you so” is achieving just as much as the idiots that were slagging off a manager who finished 4th twice in 3 years , had us playing the best football in England and being feared by the top teams.
Honestly look at your argument sensibly we’ve shot ourselves in the foot here massively and people cant admit they were wrong
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essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
After 4 season’s I’d like to think the players knew what their roles were and how HR wanted them to play-the point you’re missing is they didn’t when it mattered most! if we allow AVB the time and resources to build a side, because let’s make no bones about it-he has to, the bulk of those players out there today are either not good enough,(nor were they under HR) or were in the side through default (injuries to others), so how can that solely be attributed to the manager? We still fielded a side that competed initially-but with 6 experienced first team players out of action,it’s a grossly unfair assessment of the man in my opinion
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Lordy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Bemoaning injuries? Dembele has been at Spurs for 5 minutes and already our season revolves around him. Against Wigan AT HOME we fielded a stronger side than they did and were played off the park for 90 minutes- WIGAN!
We also fielded stronger sides against West Brom and Norwich at HOME.
We have only beaten teams in the bottom 4 except the UTD game. The UTD game was a fantastic result but we’ve played better there under HR and Jol and been screwed by bad refs decisions.
Its not just todays result its our whole season so far plus his record at Chelsea.
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4 Ever Hopeful Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
So now we wre two.
essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Would that be same Norwich side that have beaten Arsenal and Man Utd recently or the same WBA side that thrashed Liverpool and today Chelsea-because they’re both crap of course? and of course we played better under Redknapp, no-ones saying otherwise, but as I said earlier after 4 years in charge they ought to be playing to a system of some sort.
Are you forgetting the entire coaching staff has changed, and those changes take time to implement? Still trying to recall us competing at OT under HR, because I’ve got a great memory and can recollect total capitulation up there!
Lordy Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 am
so now its Real Madrids fault? really? you AVB boys are deluded
essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Lordy-(and I’m deluded)-how about reading before posting there’s a good chap, also it’s customary to counter argue with a few salient point’s, not just blame everything on ‘us AVB, boys’, which of course, we all are, and are clearly just DL’s henchman.
In fact, we all meet up, along with the SBL, NF, BNP,JFS, DFS, ECCS and not forgetting the Arsenal Supporters club,just to devise ways of pissing Harry Lover’s off
DJB Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Agree with some of what you said regarding AVB, however the problem is the topic you raised on resources.
Levy made a big call in chopping Redknapp in the summer. But to bring in a new manager, someone who many feel was damaged goods, and not to back him when he lost two key players late in the day has left the new man high and dry.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
I honestly think Real were the culprits in that scenario,as they delayed, knowing the player’s frame of mind, hoping to get a cheaper deal-Levy rightly wouldn’t budge and it dragged out to the final knockings-as said earlier, we as a club are in no position to spend huge fee’s on a nod and a wink, if you think otherwise- then you’ve backed the wrong horse- Modric’s money was need to finance the deals for Dembele, Dempsey, Lloris and Ade. Siggy and Vert’s were already in the bag-OK we’ve got it wrong over CD, but no-one was complaining about the other’s- well,not you anyway!
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:43 am
And then there’s the money that had come in for Pav, Kranjcar, Pieenar, Corluka to name just a few…all were sold without replacing and is why we’re looking so thin on the ground now.
And I don’t buy into the aguement that we can’t afford quality quality replacements. Just look at Everton’s recent transfer history. Rather than shopping around for stragglers in the dying hours of the disco, there should be a structure in place where we recruit early, allow the manager to have a preseason with a settled team and don’t have a major overhaul there after. If other teams manage to do it, then why can’t we?
It is due to Levy’s meddling policy that we may never know whether AVB is up to scratch as he hasnt been given a fair crack from the get go. He simply wasnt permitted to recruit the personel to play his preferd formation of 4-3-3.
And to put the cat amongst the pigeons, I also lay the blame partly at Levy’s door for our post January slump last season. We shipped out Pav, Corluka, Pieenar and replaced them last minute with Saha and Neilson. That was clearly an opportunistic money making saving exercise and not for the good of the squad. Problem is that gamble cost us £40M in a Champs League windfall.
essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:10 am
So you assume the like’s of Bale, Walker, Lennon et-al, all those who’ve signed longer term deals-and playing for peanut’s then? We’re not a super riche club and have to operate within a budget, or is that something you feel we should abandon then?
DJB Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
It’s clear we need to operate within a budget, it’s the flow of players in and out of the club that I take issue with, i.e. the legacy policy is ship players out of the club at the last minute to assumedly maximise profit (however the Modric price is undisclosed, so no one knows how effective this tactic was) leading to a last minute scramble for replacements – and taking away the exception of VDV, this has typically meant the recruitment of have beens and have nots. Furthermore, and just as significant, is that this policy also negates the effectiveness of any pre-season training with a settled squad.
November 17th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I have not seen anyone comment on this yet and obviously the results and it’s meaning is far more important than this….
Personally, I was shocked the moment the team game out of the tunnel. In the name of all that is holy, who made the desicion to wear those clown suits today…
Any of the ghosts of glory probably looked down and thought “who the hell are they”…
We are Tottenham Hotspur “The Lillywhites” and I don’t care how much Under Armour is spending, the black and grey has to go!!! Someone at the club should explain that desicion…
A third shirt is only if #’s 1 and 2 match the home team…
We wore fucking black and grey against Arsenal. I find that a disgrace as well!!!!!
As far as the game and I said this last week… Hudd’s game is not compatible with this team. Give the keys to Carroll with Dembele out!
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Sicililian sissy Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
I thought that too. If Under Armour insist on white shorts and shirts and the twats in the Health & Safety Executive insist that colours don’t clash wazza rongen wiffa shottza offa royalla naiffee bloo?
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November 17th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
We are Tottenham…..
….And there in lay’s the answer…
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xildnparadise Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Yes…. First thing I though of at halftime was what SAF did at Southampton the one and only time they wore a pittiful grey shirt… (80′s, 90′s??)… Guess that’s why we’ve had at least a dozen managers since SAF started…
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November 17th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Gutted as we were looking the business till ade had a rush of blood..fcuk we will never know now how 11 v 11 would of panned out…
Roll on Jan not just for the transfer Window as I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t sign a single player but mostly too see the back of this year. It’s not been good for us yids.
Coys
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November 17th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
GALLAS AND HUNDELSTONE are adding no value , they have to go , FFS fully behind AVB but them two players are holding us back , Gallas is wY PAST IT and full of errors give dawson a chance……..!! reaLLY Frustrated.
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November 17th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
There isn’t a lot of point trying to analyse today’s game. It was over as a contest as soon as Ade went, we would always lose the game after that happened after not 20 mins gone. Arsenal are not much of a force these days but with their tails up and with an extra man at home, they are decent enough but certainly nothing special.
We drew the 2nd half basically with 10 but in the end it was too much to do and they knocked in another to kill it off after we were left short at the back.
What have we learned today? Only that Arsenal are now pretty average and that we also we need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot in big games…
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November 17th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Post a comment criticizing AVB and HH patronizes, starts name calling or claims no point is made. Harry, darling, criticism of AVB is not that of the club. It’s merely an assertion and point of view held by some that the manager has made, and continues to make, a number of mistakes. In sum, significant injuries notwithstanding, AVB has not got the best out of what’s available. His formations have been negative, selections wrong, the high defensive line makes us vulnerable, substitutions poor and he’s been too slow to correct mistakes. For example, it took Livermore’s injury for AVB to stop playing him and/or bringing him on; several games past and points lost before AVB finally played Ade and Defoe together; and his insistence on not only playing but captaining Gallas – too old, short, slow and sloppy – over the clearly superior Dawson – is a fucking joke. AVB has absolutely cost us several points. And that’s not even getting into the lack of mental strength, focus and motivation by the players for large chunks of this season – intangibles that that require a certain man management AVB must, by virtue of the foregoing, lack.
There’s plenty of reason to be critical of AVB. We’ve taken a significant step back under his management, and if we continue, risk losing our best player, the boy Bale. January will come and go, and Dembele, Bennie and Kaboul will be back, but will Gallas and Livermore continue to be deployed? Will the line up continue to be chopped and changed?
I personally, will always support our wonderful club and will continue to give AVB time. But FFS, football mistakes are being made and points dropped. Criticism of AVB is warranted. It’s ok. We still love the club.
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notsohotspurs Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Totally agree about Gallas. People are saying give AVB time and this is gonna be alright in the future. Why are we playing Gallas and Friedel. Neither will be here beyond next season. There not ours or AVB’s future.
Player wise I don’t think we are that much weaker. Modric/King is now Dembele/Vert. Not as good but not that far off either.
I do have sympathy injury wise. Key players are out. I think Parker is a huge loss. Benny aswell. Adebayor not being fit/interested hasn’t helped.
For 20 minutes today we did look good. Even Thudd was in control. Down to 10 they got a lift pressed us and that was that.
Even under Redknapp if teams pressed us high up the pitch we had no answers. Crouch route 1 anyone. I think AVB has realised Ade does provide an extra option up front.
I doubt AVB has the nous to take us any further than Redknapp, but sure as hell he should be given a chance to play a first 11. Not a luxury he has been allowed yet.
Redknapps ceiling was fourth. AVB might not get anywhere near that, but he just might do better.
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the man from room five Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Yes, we are weaker- how can you possibly replace like for like- Modric & VDV?
THUDD is not the answer- he is a luxury. Agree totally that AVB needs the time to put out a 1st X1 that he can stand over.
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the man from room five Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
BTW- Caroll went up in my estimation today- he got stuck in and looked the real deal- my young fella is also banging on about Coulibaly- does he deserve a chance? why not?
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Old timer Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Dear Mr Drop Gallas, Keep AB
for an englishmann, you speak mighty fine sense
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Lordy Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
well put, couldnt agree more
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Whos that old guy next to Levy today who couldnt clap?
Is that Lewis?
Anyway you see that look on Levys face at the final whistle I hope that rat on the running wheel in his bald head is out of breath.
He needs to buy some class this window.
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
It is without a doubt a concern now that Ade has a 3 match ban before he heads off to Africa. We are down to one diminutive striker! As I mentioned above, I blame Mr. Levy for leaving AVB short of options in this area. He has all summer to sign a warm body who could play up front. Looking back, I can’t believe I actually held out hope for Leo Damiao. He and his ilk seem like worlds away from us now. Sadly, it would appear we will get to enjoy the contributions of one Mr. Deuce Dempsey during what will be a fascinating chapter in the history of our dear club.
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
low point of the day. Judas clapping the scums goal and sitting with enry. with amile on his face like he just got s ticket for Jimll fix it.
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Ginger Pubes Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
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Ginger Pubes Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Even a freak like Savile must’ve had standards.
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Hartley Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Not really……he’d have f*cked scumbell and scumbell would’ve liked it..
November 17th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Adebayor has not only cost us this game (and the next 3) but his holding out for the best deal also cost us early doors….the bloke is an overpaid ex goon scum who I would be happy to never again see in the glorious Lilywhite……
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Rob Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Could not agree more. This is the first time in 30+ years I have sold on my season ticket and he is one of the reasons. I wasn’t a massive Harry fan and was losing interest last year even though it was our best for a long while (well 2/3rds of it) but we are going backwards. It was 100% a red card, off the ground and dangerous and although we could have capitulated like we did last year we will never know. The scum song a cpl of years ago was spot on.
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
People go in spikes up harder than that at second base during a baseball game, and it is encouraged. I love soccer but this sport is for pussies if that has to be a definite red card.
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bob Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
sorry football*
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Hartley Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
In the 60′s and 70′s the captains handshake was more violent……bring back Football…this touch Football is shit
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Old timer Reply:
November 17th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Say no more…
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=X&as_qdr=all&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&tbnid=MMrilfagt5ySYM:&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1088232/Adams-Butcher-Mackay-William-Gallas-look-guys-learn-real-captain-does-job.html&docid=RINQYFonC4VEQM&imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/11/21/article-1088232-0007DBD700000258-45_468x323_popup.jpg&w=650&h=450&ei=0yCoULOxErGW0QXuuICADg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=502&sig=113315944875179271439&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=209&start=0&ndsp=56&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:108&tx=62&ty=47&biw=1787&bih=1161
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Oh Mr (1 league cup in 11 years Levy}time to f### O## me thinks.
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Just when you think the day can’t get any worse and low and behold…..Bagpuss turns out for MOTD..
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November 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I’m gonna try supporting another team for a while just to see if I feel they’re cursed too. Is it just perception? Or is it a fact that Spurs are doomed to disappoint. Worse than that the gods tantalise us with good runs and early goals just to make the pain worse. They love to inflict irony like two consecutive 5-2 score lines after holding a lead at the Emmeroids.
They love injuring our key players at key times. Most annoying is how they get players to perform well for their clubs so that we buy them and they turn rubbish.
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:02 am
I have no qualms with AVB over this.I have qualms with Webb even maybe Adebayor but not AVB.
For me it was neutral with AVB.
We did not fight enought with 10 men.Whose fault was that?
I am blinded by my hate of that fucking lot.
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Ginger Pubes Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:47 am
Webb was within his rights. Adebayor is an idiot. Sagna got the best of him in the tunnel and he went out all half cocked. AVB did all he could. But you are quite right about the lack of fight. Seemed like when we went to 10 the result was inevitable. Not sure why it is that way, but it has been the case more often than not for decades now. Perhaps Parker would have provided an experienced head. Currently Gallas is meant to be that presence but either he isn’t up to it, or his eroded skills undermine his words in the eyes of his teamates.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Our marking and tackling in the box was non existent. Giroud had two players on him who never went for the ball.Cazorla also wasnt touched for his goal.
This High Line puts emphasis on the offisde trap rather than sound marking.Good players can beat it easily because the defenders first priority is not the mark or tackle but to get the opposing player offside. It didnt happen in this case but the mental attitude of clearing the box etc was not there.
Our haphazardness after Ade went off was not so much AVb’s fault but he does have to take some responsibility for the attitude and lack of fight fight factor.
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November 18th, 2012 at 2:16 am
I have never seen Webb have a good game at the Lane, but he was right with the red card.
Rednapp the younger said they had capitulated, not too sure about that, I think without a leader on the pitch they were unable to work out what to do when plan A had gone well but had with the card had fallen to pieces.
Maybe AVB had it worked out correctly as we looked good with 11 and he sorted it out at half time, probably with more instruction on how to put plan B into operation with the help of the subs. We desperately need leaders at the back or defensive midfield. In January we will probably get whatever is available for two bob (10P) and a rabbit. The past has taught me not to look for saviours it seems we cannot afford them.
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November 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
groaned when heard Webb was ref, likes to be the main man, could easily have given a yellow and kept it to a match, vermelen pumping his fist with the sight of the red gave the goons new hope, but impressed with AVBs response and thought the boys did well, BTW 1st time I have been impressed this season maybe he now knows the way us spurs like to see our football, it is the glory game
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PeterTheStoreyTeller Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Not much glory going down 5-2 IMO,only saying mind.
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
True, no glory yesterday, I meant the style of play, didn’t like seeing bale laughing and joking with Walcott coming off the pitch, together with dropping out at last minute before the Chelsea game, hope his mind isn’t elsewhere, good to see JD get annoyed at him.for not putting on a plate when 4-2 down, nice to see HR on MOTD saying we,ll still finish above them, I guess it is his team
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kranky Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Are you actually sane ?? Harry is saying that so that (in the event of Spurs capitulating)he can point to his 4 5 4 and say failure. He’s a bollocks and a common old fart.
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:34 am
When Twitchy takes over QPR(touting on MOTD)lets hope the c**t do not pass us on the way up as we plummet.
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royalspur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Strange attitude to someone who got us 2 4ths and a 5th, will be pleased if AVB gets us similar
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:45 am
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/406074/20121118/arsenal-tottenham-wenger-avb-derby-adebayor-redcard.htm
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
HH is right. We are so thin at the moment, and without a sign that Parker or Demebele will be back any time soon we must get busy in January. All is not lost, but we need to get some points to keep us in touch
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Hello, everyone. All quiet on the post-match tearing ourselves apart front. Let’s hope the only way is up from now on. Maybe the players can instill in themselves a sense of purpose and self-discipline on the field and use yesterday’s example as a warning. Time to take my dog out and try and avoid going into the pub.
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Walked away from the game – not happy but not despondent
HH is right we lost last year with 11,had lead of 2-0 and the better replacements
Really want the french man to stay in goal,want Jan in the centre with someone solid – actually want to try Smith at right back and hope for a left back soon – need a shining light for the midfield
in January and a new forward of a size that can lead the line when we play only one striker
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Think Daws is worth a shout over Gallas sometimes rather than putting Naughton in at left back. Dunno why he’s so obsessed with Gallas, Dawson has plenty of experience now and is is only 5-6 years younger than AVB!! Not saying ditch Gallas fully as i think he still has his uses but Dawson deserves a run in the team now.
If Redknapp had persisted with Gallas over Dawson, Dempsey over Ade, H.H and other detractors would have taken the opportunity to slaughter him for it. “He’s just a retard cockney” blah blah etc.
So i’m actually surprised at how easy going people have been on AVB although i’m not saying it should be any other way, he still needs time. I’m just wondering for how long he will be able to dine out on one half of football at Old Trafford? Lets face it, we have been pretty Jekyl and Hyde since then.
The one thing i will say is, i was pleased he went with the front two he did yesterday and we looked pretty good until the red. Jury still very much out but the signs are semi-positive that he is willing to learn and change. The tactical genius he was supposed to be however, where the fack is he?
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:46 am
This may sound condescending but i don’t give a f***. It drives me nuts how many stupid fans we have that still think our woes are all at the feet of avb. I’m Sick to death of the stupid boo boys at the lane that have zero clue, have they seen the rubbish avb has to choose from, TH is our main creative midfielder, TH!
By the way, TH was directly responsible for 3 of 5 goals, and Gallas the others, I hope Kabul gets fit faster. Vert has been mustard at left back, Walker, Kabul, Caulker, Vert in front of Lloris is ideal, yes even when Benny the liability comes back.
Scott parker Isn’t going to be back anytime soon. Tom Carrol looked good and should get the nod over TH from now on.
As for this 442 rubbish everyone keeps banging on about…really?
The avb 4-2-3-1 DOES have 2 strikers and is more about transition than anything else, the 1 up top and the b in the abc that is the 3 in the middle, (this has been Dempsey up til yesterday remember he scored 20 goals in the prem last year, yes he has been poor since man utd).
The beauty of the 4-2-3-1is it’s flexibility in transition, and its the familiarity with this system that enabled us to go to 3 at the back and put 5 in mid-field in the second half, our players ARE getting better under AVB.
When attacking the 4-2-3-1 can look like a 4-4-2 diamond formation or 4-4-1-1 depending on the personnel in there.
Unless these supposed fans and media /experts go and get their coaching badges they should just stick to singing songs and buying pies and maybe actually just supporting the club instead of causing a negative atmosphere at home games over things they don’t understand, because there muppet Chelsea supporting mates have got in their head.
The fact these muppet Chelsea fans that didn’t like avb is there own deal, avb will come good, especially when he gets the players he wants, I hope he is more ruthless in putting them in when they arrive, if I have any critique of avb is that he has been too sensitive, I guess his interaction to in that horrid dressing room experience he had at “the nightmare before kick off” production that is the Chelsea.
AVB is the real deal, he does need better players than he has at his disposal,its not like Harry left him plethora of talent.
They played 70 minutes In a derby game with 10 men, 3 of who wouldn’t make stokes starting 11. They played their assess off for the fans, the club AND thier manager AVB yesterday.
Have any of these mugs considered the irony of them constantly chearing for Defoe who is in good form BECAUSE of the faith AVB has put in him, not ‘arry who left him on the bench to rott after bringing in Saha on a free? Of course they don’t…absolute morons!
Support AVB and the team at the lane, leave the booing at home for your mum as she burns your cereal in the morning, (yes that’s right burning Kellogg’s should give a clue to the intellect) I’m certain these boo boys still live at home with their mum.
I heard a guest on a podcast, an actual alleged fan say “we don’t go to the lane to watch football that will win trophies, we go to watch good football”. What the F*** was he on? You can have both! Look at Man utd, City, Barca, R Madrid, Ajax, Dortmund and yes PORTO !
The sooner the gov bring in breathing license’s that can only be issued after an iq test the better!
COYS!
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kranky Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Now dissapear up your own bum. You talk rubbish. AVB OUT.
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77spur Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
ALRIGHT VORDERMAN. Football should be simple. Work hard without the ball,go and express yourself with it…good enough for clough and he conquered europe, harry was the same, we played the best football ive seen with that philosophy but alot of people think itS NAIVE. You Support your team and are passionate about it, thats good to see. Only time will tell about AVB and your opinion of him. Im off to share a pie with my mum.
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East Stand Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I agree that we all get behind AVB, we need that stability and i also thought we looked pretty good until the red card. Had we kept 11 on the pitch would we have gone deeper to defend the lead as we have in most AVB games or go on to score more? We will never know but i refuse to judge AVB on that game alone because it was all about the sending off, we also played ok with 10 in the end. Arsenal are so average now it’s untrue…
However, you can’t on the one hand defend everything AVB does by blaming the board for not signing the right players etc and then slag Redknapp off for bringing bargain bucket has-beens when he was given no money either.
He wanted Krasic from Juve that January but the board blocked anything other than a loan and the player wouldn’t come for example. If he’d have been backed more in that window could we have managed 3rd with better players than the cast offs we ended up with? Nobnody seems to defend harry’s failings by blaming the board but it seems fashionable to defend AVB on those grounds. The bigger question is whether Levy and the board are holding us back by making too many football decisions when they aren’t football people. Dempsey and Siggy… Why?
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Its time to bring chrissy hughton home. Hes ready. Bassong was fantastic AGAIN for norwich yesterday, but, our boss decided to get rid and keep gallas, just 1 of the plethora of goofs in his short tenure. Though it was a shame yesterday. AVB finally got it and went back to the simple EFFECTIVE system harry brought us success with and we could have embarassed the scum. i up and we were all over em, looked like we could get behind them at will. Then webb got his chance and took it, Ade was dumb for giving him a exuse but he probably would have found 1 sooner or later.
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TMWNN Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Redknapp rarely played both Defoe and Adebayor together. VB stuck to his 4231 system but with Adebayor behind Defoe rather than Dempsey behind Adebayor. It looked a good choice until he stupidly got sent off.
The move to 3 at the back is being lauded
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TMWNN Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
… as some kind of tactical masterstroke (I remember motor-mouth doing the same away to Stoke), but why wait half an hour and until the game was effectively over to change?
We could be as low as 9th after today. Martin Jol must be looking forward to the prospect of leap frogging the club which sacked him and has far greater resources than the one he is currently at.
No doubt those who have licked HH’s arse clean will blame injuries, not being able to compete financially, our own fans and perhaps even the weather as to why 4th is starting to look beyond us, but the real culprits here are the uber-tight Joe Lewis and his little poodle like henchman, Levy. Trophies mean nothing to them, but stringing the fans along until the club can be sold for a fortune means everything.
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LLL Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Didn’t Bassong say that he would be back one day playing for Spurs when he left – that he would prove himself elsewhere? Bit like Kaboul.
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Essexian76 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Yeah,like the 11 almost 12 years they’ve taken to sell it this despite turning RA down in 2004, but still if the facts don’t suit your idealology-keep on spouting the same old crap- and one day you may be right..!
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77spur Reply:
November 19th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I meant with someone just off the striker and bale and lennon staying wide. That hasnt been done enough.
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:55 am
The filthy picture i feared from the start is yet to be completed. But just as i thought chelseas results are dipping, they will lose at juve and di matteo will be off in the not too distant future, to make way for HR to slot in. Falcao may go there in jan with Torres going the other way to atletico where he started. Its a dirty picture and i hope im as mad as you think but i’m out on that limb. SABOTAGE.
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November 18th, 2012 at 11:59 am
AVB OUT
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Dust Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Your mum burn your Kellogg’s again LoL…plastic fan
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November 18th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
ok you avb supporters can take your rose-tinted spectacles off now. I said I’d give avb till xmas, well I’ve seen enough already; he’s a championship manager at best. We’ve won just 2 games by 2 clear goals; lowly maribor and villa, and even villa should have scored first when benteki missed a sitter. we’ve looked pedestrian and great players have looked confused and well below par – and now the ultimate joke; he’s goes back to playing a spurs team like martin jol would have!!! The win against mu was a fluke and they should have flattened us after fergie put his tactical errors right in the second half.
We’ve scraped past the likes of southampton and qpr,looked rubbish against west brom, norwich ect, bulldozed by a chelsea side that aint the best and should have been twonked by man city. Don’t even start me on the europa league fiascos.
What’s been worse than results though has been performances; dour would be an understatement.
If you think the return of dembele will change everything, well it might if avb learns from his gross mistakes so far; until dembele gets injured again…. Forget willian and moutinho too, we’re simply not good enough under this manager for the likes of them.
So if avb stops his dumb tinkering (he’s also come close to fooking up the confidence of lloris)and takes us back to the way we played under hr or even martin jol then he might just turn it around. If not then its curtains and I believe levy should follow him out the door for lack of judgement, because to the outsider with half a brain this is starting to look like ramos all over again.
Avb needs to drop down a league if he’s going to manage in england. Because at the moment its looking like his team selections are becoming more and more reactionary to external criticism.
Dont keep knocking the players as its obvious they’re confused and out of their depth. At this rate we will lose the good players we’ve got left.
Its a real shame as avb comes across as a nice bloke, but for me he just doesn’t cut it in the epl.
Bring back the spurs I know and love, the team that was once frightened of nobody. “Its all about glory” not trying to turn us into some boring continetal side.
Under levy we’re committing suicide, but who cares as long as the books are balanced?
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East Stand Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
He’s recently changed the system, maybe he isn’t as arrogant as the press make out. We have to be patient with him but i also agree the football has been turgid at times under AVB. He must play more attacking football at the right times, i don’t mind the 4231 away against the kind of teams that will struggle against it but please, no more at home thank you!! Also not away against relegation fodder either. We are Spurs, we don’t play like we’re crapping ourselves, the fans won’t tolerate such bollocks anyway.
We must be patient, at least until January, if we look like a clueless rabble by then, he’ll be under real pressure and something will have to give.
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Ramos36 Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Well, ouch, that hurt. I suppose the same could be said about the last four EPL games.
There is no question the team is going through a sticky patch, and that the frailties that have plagued Tottenham’s recent rise to prominence are still very much apparent in the DNA of this side.
Dropping points to lesser opposition at home. Squandering goal leads. Giving away cheap goals. Self-imploding in the face of adversity. These are all things, that those of us who have been supporting Spurs for the last decade ( at least) have become use to.
That why blaming AVB for the recent slump in form is TOO simplistic.
Has AVB made ‘mistakes’? Yes. The most notable being his refusal to play two out and out strikers against opposition we should be steamrollering over (especially at home). And (to a lesser degree, some might say) his reluctance to install the ‘world class’ Lloris as the clubs first choice goalkeeper.
Has AVB Learnt from these ‘mistakes’, or showed any signs of doing so? Well, apparently so. The starting line-ups against Maribor and more recently Arsenal suggest that our new manager IS flexible in his approach, and IS willing to consider different alternatives as he aims to bring success to the club. Regarding the Goalkeeping situation, AVB was doomed if he did and doomed if he didn’t. Whilst the vast majority of us will be of the opinion that Lloris should have been installed as the no1 from day one, it is easy (up to a point) to see why this has not been the case. However, AVBs reluctance to show his faith in a keeper many will see as the long-term future of the club, over another who is in the twilight of his career has to be readdressed quickly in order to install confidence to a player ,who at the moment, is not playing with his managers complete trust, and as a result, may be guilty of trying too hard to impress.
That being said, IF BLAME IS TO BE ISSUED, then some so-called supporters should look no further than the 11 men on the field.
The fact that we have taken the lead in 3 of the last 4 league games and looked relatively comfortable in doing so suggests that tactics, nor motivation are primary causes for the slump we currently find ourselves in. At the end of the day, it is the 11 men on the pitch that play the game, not the manager. And as I have said before the problems the team are currently experiencing are NOT new issues.
Last season, we were beaten at home by Wigan, gave away cheap goals, surrendered a 2 goal lead to Arsenal ( with 11 players)and capitulated when faced with adversity.
For all the friendly games in this summers pre-season, IT IS ONLY NOW THAT AVB IS TRULY LEARNING ABOUT HIS PLAYERS. And in the opening 12 games of this EPL season, Villas-Boas will have learn’t all that he needs to know.
Whilst the squad at his disposal is undoubtedly a talented one, it is also a squad with glaring mental deficiencies.
Has anyone else noticed that:
1. When a couple of players out of sorts, the whole team seems to play badly.
2. When we concede goals to the bigger sides, alarm bells seem to ring to the point of distraction. Causing the team to lose composure not only in their passing, but in their defending as well.
3. When faced with adversity/ injustice heads seem to go down particularly quickly, which usually results with us being on the end of a thumping.
4. Gareth Bale often fails to track-back with any sort of enthusiasm any more, leaving our left-back frequently exposed.
5. When thing are going badly on the pitch, the team is an extremely quiet one. And if any talking is done, it usually comes in the form of them moaning at one another, rather than Geeing each other up.
There is clearly a lack of any real leaders in the squad at the moment (excluding those injured), bar Gallas and Sandro, which is why, until results pick up again and we get one or two of our more influential players back, I would seriously consider replacing Caulker with Dawson.
Lloris
Naugton Dawson Gallas Vertonghen
Sandro Dembele
Lennon Siggurdson/Dempsey Bale
Defoe
Vs West Ham
jbahjb z
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November 18th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
what pissed me off the most was the moment we went to 10 we completely folded. Did we even have a shot in the first half after the sending off?
2nd half was better, but we know the Arse took the foot off the gas. They’ve got a Champions Lge game on Tuesday. We only started playing again at 4-1 – and they had stopped. They brough on Santos for fuck’s sake! He looks like a retired bouncer.
Lazio & West Ham. 2 wins please.
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November 18th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
So you think 4 loses on the trot isn’t in anyway
indicative of ginger nut being out of his league?
Harry at 50% consistently
got us top 4. I hope you have the balls to admit
we’ve gone backwards under Mr notebook when we end up 6th! We are becoming a laughing stock!!
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November 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
SDARWKCAB GNIOG ERA EW FI SA SLEEF TI. What to do..More signings or off with his head, January will see us lament in our winter of discontent. Cannot see any buzz which surrounded our club of late. We seem to be a laughing stock again, a club which people relish in mocking. This had subsided somewhat but I feel Levy has not siezed on the growth spurt that we had found. Not sure about Levy, he could be a liability. Someone should watch him, he looks shifty, he has small eyes and hands, like the circus folk
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November 18th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Well, ouch, that hurt. I suppose the same could be said about the last four EPL games.
There is no question the team is going through a sticky patch, and that the frailties that have plagued Tottenham’s recent rise to prominence are still very much apparent in the DNA of this side.
Dropping points to lesser opposition at home. Squandering goal leads. Giving away cheap goals. Self-imploding in the face of adversity. These are all things, that those of us who have been supporting Spurs for the last decade ( at least) have become use to.
That why blaming AVB for the recent slump in form is TOO simplistic.
Has AVB made ‘mistakes’? Yes. The most notable being his refusal to play two out and out strikers against opposition we should be steamrollering over (especially at home). And (to a lesser degree, some might say) his reluctance to install the ‘world class’ Lloris as the clubs first choice goalkeeper.
Has AVB Learnt from these ‘mistakes’, or showed any signs of doing so? Well, apparently so. The starting line-ups against Maribor and more recently Arsenal suggest that our new manager IS flexible in his approach, and IS willing to consider different alternatives as he aims to bring success to the club. Regarding the Goalkeeping situation, AVB was doomed if he did and doomed if he didn’t. Whilst the vast majority of us will be of the opinion that Lloris should have been installed as the no1 from day one, it is easy (up to a point) to see why this has not been the case. However, AVBs reluctance to show his faith in a keeper many will see as the long-term future of the club, over another who is in the twilight of his career has to be readdressed quickly in order to install confidence to a player ,who at the moment, is not playing with his managers complete trust, and as a result, may be guilty of trying too hard to impress.
That being said, IF BLAME IS TO BE ISSUED, then some so-called supporters should look no further than the 11 men on the field.
The fact that we have taken the lead in 3 of the last 4 league games and looked relatively comfortable in doing so suggests that tactics, nor motivation are primary causes for the slump we currently find ourselves in. At the end of the day, it is the 11 men on the pitch that play the game, not the manager. And as I have said before the problems the team are currently experiencing are NOT new issues.
Last season, we were beaten at home by Wigan, gave away cheap goals, surrendered a 2 goal lead to Arsenal ( with 11 players)and capitulated when faced with adversity.
For all the friendly games in this summers pre-season, IT IS ONLY NOW THAT AVB IS TRULY LEARNING ABOUT HIS PLAYERS. And in the opening 12 games of this EPL season, Villas-Boas will have learn’t all that he needs to know.
Whilst the squad at his disposal is undoubtedly a talented one, it is also a squad with glaring mental deficiencies.
Has anyone else noticed that:
1. When a couple of players out of sorts, the whole team seems to play badly.
2. When we concede goals to the bigger sides, alarm bells seem to ring to the point of distraction. Causing the team to lose composure not only in their passing, but in their defending as well.
3. When faced with adversity/ injustice heads seem to go down particularly quickly, which usually results with us being on the end of a thumping.
4. Gareth Bale often fails to track-back with any sort of enthusiasm any more, leaving our left-back frequently exposed.
5. When thing are going badly on the pitch, the team is an extremely quiet one. And if any talking is done, it usually comes in the form of them moaning at one another, rather than Geeing each other up.
There is clearly a lack of any real leaders in the squad at the moment (excluding those injured), bar Gallas and Sandro, which is why, until results pick up again and we get one or two of our more influential players back, I would seriously consider replacing Caulker with Dawson.
Lloris
Naugton Dawson Gallas Vertonghen
Sandro Dembele
Lennon Siggurdson/Dempsey Bale
Defoe
Vs West Ham
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November 18th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Unless you make a genuine like for like comparision between AVB and Harry you cannot possibly construct any kind of meaningful case for one or the other and a lot of the vitriol being poured on AVB, by so-called fans, is quite absurd and totally unwarranted when the full facts are examined.
For example, how did Spurs perform under Harry when missing our two top midfielders, Modric and Parker? Man Utd (away) 0-3, Man City (home) 1-5. How would Spurs have performed under Harry without VDV also? It never happened, but by extrapolation the results would have been even worse.
With just Dembele replacing Modric and Parker and with VDV inadequately replaced by the inferior pair of either Dempsey or Sigurdsson, we still made a 4-2-0 start (as Dembele didn’t play in the Newcastle defeat) and reached 4th in the table. Since that point, missing Dembele also, we have gone 1-0-4, but we are factually putting out an inferior line-up to the team that was crushed by a combined 1-8 in the first 2 games of last season under Harry.
Add in the loss of Kaboul and BAE, both ever- presents in Harry’s line-up, plus Adebayor’s fitness woes until the last 2 games and the idea that Harry would have done better with this current line-up is laughable, based upon actual results.
Remember also that Harry had the likes of Pav, Krancjar, Bassong, Corluka, Gallas, Defoe and Pienaar on the bench and then compare that to the current subs like Livermore, Naughton, Carroll, Sigurdsson, Townsend, it’s a significantly weaker bench.
The fact is that AVB has an inferior squad to the one Harry enjoyed last year and one with more significant injuries.
AVB needs to be backed in the January transfer window by DL, with proper replacements for Modric and VDV and for Dembele and Parker to come back from injury, plus Kaboul and BAE.
If with those additions, a level playing field in terms of their respective squads, AVB is unable to match Harry’s achievements then the AVB detractors/haters will have a legitimate grievance, but until such time they should keep their feckless opinions to themselves.
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East Stand Reply:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
I have to agree with most of what you have said, it’s not possible to fully judge AVB yet.
However the point that AVB has a weaker squad than Harry is debatable. Pav, Krancjar, Bassong, Corluka, Gallas, Defoe and Pienaar as last season’s bench. Was that much stronger than what we have now?
Pav was awful and lazy most of the time, Bassong never convinced anyone, Corluka was a very average right fullback Krancjar and Pienaar were hardly used as both were best off the left and hardly got a game. You could argue that we have a more useful bench now if not as star-studded. Given Siggy and Dempsey’s form for their clubs last season you’d have swapped Krancjar and Pienaar for those two all day long anyway.
I think we have to separate the two managers and stop making daft comparisons as you say. Harry IS our most successful league manager since the Prem started with the two 4th places and the 5th, whether some like it or not. To disregard that as some kind of strange ‘Arry wide-boy luck’ rather than giving credit to him and his staff for that achievement is as short sighted as writing off AVB the way some people are doing.
Harry wasn’t backed very well with bargain bucket has-beens like Saha and Nelson either, the board have kept a tight hold on the purse strings with both Harry and AVB. Did the Moutinho deal not happen more because of the fact Levy didn’t push it through because of the cost of the deal? I think that was the case and also why Dawson and Hudd were both shown the door late on. They didn’t go, Moutinho didn’t come… Welcome to the frugal and un romantic world of the modern day Spurs under Levy. It’s all about the figures.
It could be that both men are decent managers but would do far better with the finances available at City, who wouldn’t?
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November 19th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Criticism of AVB is not a comparison or compliment to HR – apples and oranges.
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November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 am
Well said, some sections of the media seem to be playing the two off each other with this A-B comparison constantly as well.
Just lowest common denominator journalism yet again…
Harry was great for Spurs and AVB could also end up being great for Spurs but he certainly needs more time, just not sure missing out on 4th (if he did) will buy him anymore of it.
The Harry baiting was just as knee-jerk as this current AVB stuff is i’m afraid.
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