Posted on Wednesday, 7th November 2012 by Harry Hotspur
Good morning.
Presumably the Daily Mail are busy padding this one out into 250 words that at an absolute bare minimum will all be spelled correctly. Benoit Assou-Ekotto aka A&E Tweeted earlier this morning:
Clearly he was deluged with, ‘Oh Benny, has it all gone wrong? Please tell us it has!’ type responses and felt compelled to issue a second Tweet to clarify. It just goes to show the mindset of our ‘support’ in these dark autumnal days.
We’ve too many of our first choice picks missing, did you hear about that? Speaking of which I note from the usually reliable PhysioRoom.com that Sandro is down as TBC which doesn’t bode well at all. Not at all. Scotty Parker is two weeks away which points to him missing City and realistically, Arsenal too. Benny and Moussa are also both TBC so it wouldn’t be too previous to add them to the list. Raging Kaboul is supposedly 7 weeks away. What joy.
But of course, all this is completely irrelevant. It’s down to the manager. Jake Livermore is back in 5 days so there is no need to fuss or flap. Arry had injuries and you never heard him complain. We should have brought in Rodgers. Ah, scratch that. Liverpool in 12th. Martinez wouldn’t have crashed our plane so early on in the season. Mmmn scratch that, they’re in 13th.
The important thing to do at this stage is remain determined and focused upon apportioning blame. And those who never wanted Villas-Boas appointed must ensure they are lightening quick in self aggrandize themselves. 5th and a speeding like a freight train into a relegation scrap.
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
so we are dropping like flies…….
at least the support is vocal enough to give everyone a lift and help with the siege mentality
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am
I hate my boss and it is me
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Astro Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
whether you wanted avb or not ( and I didnt ) we have to support him till the season end. then we can see how well or badly we have performed. 5th/6th is realistically our ‘par’ so lets see if we are above or below that then. Until then lets try and not put so much pressure on the players. At the moment the only people to blame are the fans.
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:40 am
And there is more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2229166/Racism-football-Society-Black-Lawyers-10-point-plan.html
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I’m not Jewish so maybe I should not comment but I will anyway,I’ve never read any Jewish Spurs fans complaining about our hijacking of the Y word,in fact quite the opposite.All this PC gives me the shits.
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Matt Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Coincidence that the SBL are currently being hired by Chelsea in relation to the Clettenberg incident?? I think not….
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Erm, 5th???? Last time I looked we were 6th.
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November 7th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Here we go again…It’s all the fans fault blah blah blah! For the record I’m ashamed to say I never shed a tear when Harry was sacked but I’ll admit that I was wrong. We have made a massive mistake. Like all of you on here I’ve supported spurs my whole life (32 years) and lets be honest it’s bloody hard work being a spurs fan. We’ve been ridiculed by most as the ‘this time next year club’ etc. Finally we become a force to be reckoned with and guess what we sack our manager and now all I hear is ‘project…give the guy a chance…he needs time…’ What a load of rubbish! Nothing would make me happier if AVB won us loads of trophys and got us playing great football again but lets look at facts, his decisions are beyond bizarre! Two holding midfielders, Defoe up front, love affair with Jake Livermore, plays Jenas in every pre season game ahead of Huddlestone and then lets Jenas go and plays a half fit Huddlestone….I could go on and on! I’m sorry but this guy will never cut it! I guarantee Tim Sherwood will be our next manager and we will have to rebuild all over again!
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:02 am
TWITCHY OUT
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Plenty of criticism but no solutions. perhaps you could suggest alternatives to A) two holding mid fielders at times when there aren’t any other choices, and B) Defoe up front when our only other striker was either unfit or injured.
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Cambridge Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:23 am
He had plenty of chances to get another striker in but constantly stated that Defoe was very important to us this season. Why sign Dempsey? Look at the games where we have dropped points…leading but instead of going for the jugguler, take off an attacking midfielder and bring on Livermore and subsequently lose the lead and points. Harry had plenty of faults but he never told us to take our foot off the gas and try to hang on, it’s not our way.
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Well you haven’t given solutions to either of my questions which indicates that your criticisms are just mindless and done for the sake of criticising. Dempsey was a last minute Levy panic buy, and how was AVB to know Ade would not be available for the first two Months. He also needed time to assess the players to find out what each is capable of. Us as fans have been watching the players for years, we know their capabilities, he didn’t. Before you start to criticise, try putting some thought into it in at least a token attempt to decide whether it’s justified or just mindless verbal diarrhia.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
“Harry had plenty of faults but he never told us to take our foot off the gas and try to hang on, it’s not our way.”
Um, Aston Villa away last year?
Cambridge Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
How long does a so called top quality professional need to assess the qualities (or lack of) in someone like Livermore for example. As you will see from my original post I stated that we brought this on ourselves by getting rid of Harry. AVB has done nothing to indicate that he deserved such a high profile job. I’m not a professional football manager like all of you, and do not claim to have the answers but his decisions worry me so hows this for solutions…at home why not play 442 with Sandro and Sigurddson as the middle 2, Bale and Lennon on the wings with Ade and Defoe up top. When Ade was injured no choice but to play Dempsey further forward. Away from home the 4231 works as the opposition comes onto you more leaving space for the counter attack hence why our away form is better than home (not because of the crowd as some suggest!), however at home we need to dictate the tempo. AVB was here from the start of the window and it doesn’t require a genius to know that we are short of strikers. UnKle Kev…I was at Villa and we actually performed much better when we were down to ten men. Yes we could have gone for it a bit more but we still finished in the top four and that is one game in 3 and a half years.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
I’ve been looking back on the many blog’s around late August and can’t find any you’ve posted saying that any of our summer buys were rubbish-or are you just using hindsight?
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Well on your own admission you don’t have the answers. How can you criticise if you yourself don’t have the answers???? Clearly you just want to criticise for the sake of it without any better suggestions. You also ignore facts in order to suit your own criticisms.
Justhadtosay Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Sorry I thought AVB was employed to solve the problems. It’s up to the fans now is it? Look I’m trying to be patient and give the guy a chance. I want him to succeed and I still think its too early to start calling for his head but so far the signs are not great. We all know about the injuries/transfer failings and that these things take time yada, yada. Hopefully in a couple of weeks, after spectacular wins at City and Arsenal you can have a nice old gloat. I would love it – honestly. However, the problem that so many of us seem to have is that on this blog in particular the knives were well and truly out for HR but AVB is beyond question. In fact every excuse imaginable seems to be being wheeled out in his defence. If I didn’t know better, I’d say some of you were so vehement in your dislike for Harry that to avoid looking like you might have got it wrong you’ve become entrenched in your AVB is the saviour position. Surely its not wrong to question things now is it? We don’t have to provide the answers because its not like anyone at the club would pay a blind bit of notice to us anyway. Answers are obviously welcome if you have them though. We as fans can see where things are not right but on here its getting almost Orwellian; War is Peace, Hate is Love, Freedom is Slavery, Strange decisions is Tactical genius, Not adaptable with no plan B to break teams down is injuries or failure in transfer market, Slagging off Kyle Walker constantly on here is If you boo at games you make baby Jesus cry ect. And I don’t condone the booing or getting on anyone’s back. On matchday we should support the team and the manager, but we should be allowed to question things, even in the church of AVB.
philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Should not have let Parker play for England with an injury.
Should not have let Kane go on loan.
Should have played Hud in all preseason games.
Should not have sold Van.
Bought early in the season.
Play Carroll all preseason.
I could go on.
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woody Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
To be fair to AVB whoever he played in the midfield in pre-season wasn’t going to be a genuine starter I think we all expected Moutinho to be that man. Levy messed it up, simple. As for letting Van go, well he never played more than 60 mins, I’d happily have traded his last season’s form for Dempsey’s. Clint isn’t firing yet but that’s something no one could’ve predicted. Finally, did anyone notice but prior to Dembele getting injured we were awesome.
77spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
This was the plan though my friend. We were a force, too much of one, so action was taken.
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Given our current midfield predicament I’m not sure which worries me more — the thought that Livermore won’t be available for the City game or the thought that he will.
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:03 am
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:07 am
A few goals tomorrow night will lift the mood.
As long as they’re for us that is.
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Footballers Should have to pass a test to have a twitter account,Benny’s a silly lad,how else could his comments be taken?
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Benny’s twitter is the best of any footballer in the world. Fact! lol
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Iain Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Yep, of course people would take it to refer to himself and AVB. I think it probably does but that doesn’t mean they all feel the same.
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Hey Harry, what about a new poll: If you were to bump into AVB in your local
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Paul9inch Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Dont open a Twitter account !
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Hot_Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Give him advice?? If you think you are more knowledgeable that you can give advice then you should apply for his job.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Harry would be too busy getting AVB to sign his bottom for him to give him any advice.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
God your good
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koko61 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
LLL. The last 2 weeks your comments are funny . Especially when it comes to HH, you bring him down a peg or two.keep it up
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:12 am
a)Ekotto. Im sure that was a bit of ironic French humour but yet another example of why players should stay away from twitter
b) YIDS. Now its the Black Lawyers Group who want to see us strung up and quaterized. Its an odd one this as we know the porigins of why its sung. Question for our Jewish supporters: are you offended when the crowd chant “Yid Army”?
If you are then of course it should be banned.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
“Question for our Jewish supporters: are you offended when the crowd chant ‘Yid Army’? If you are then of course it should be banned.”
To answer your question, as it has been up for discussion on this very site many times before. Yes, some jewish supporters are offended, or at least think it is an inappropriate chant/term, most think it is just fine or in fact a good/galvanising thing.
That’s not the point, though. Just because a small group of people are offended by something doesn’t mean that everyone else need to stop doing it. I am offended by parents bringing their children up under ultra-orthodox religion, never telling them that there exist other world views. That doesn’t mean those people need to stop doing so.
It’s hard to say anything more inane than “puppies are cute” without it offending SOMEONE. That can’t be the guiding principle.
In this case, the guiding principle needs to be “is it racist when Spurs fans chant ‘Yid Army’?”.
A definition of racism:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
Is either of these apparent when Spurs fans chant “Yid Army”???
NO IT NOT
Racism in every form is bad and should be fought, but these racism crusaders need to realize when they’re being overzealous. As they clearly are in this case.
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Paul9inch Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Hi Los, as a relative newcomer to this site I didnt realise the Q had been covered before.
In the context its used, “Yid Army” borders on the humerous but you’re correct, there are bound to be people who take offence either genuinly or for effect.
The definition (1) above is interesting. Im white but young Black people imo are more athletic than their white counterparts. If Im correct and its fact then it can hardly be racist. If a Black person states this He’ll probably be condemmed as a racist.
I mention this only to expose the sensitive ground the issue encompasses and the context in which it occurs.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Welcome to the fold!
It’s true that there are, as proven through scientific enquiry, certain differences between the genetic material. “African” genes lend themselves well to sprinting, due to giving rise to (on average) slightly longer legs, I believe. “European” genes have slightly different muscle fibres (shorter, or more compact, or something), which lend themselves better to for example weight lifting.
In an entire population the average differences are miniscule, but at the extremes (the world’s fastes/strongest man, etc.) they become quite apparent.
That is not to say that there are not black men who are very good at weight lifting, og white men who can run very fast. But differences in sum total there are, and it seems to be quite a touchy subject for a lot of people.
There are also more obvious differences, such as “black peopl have more skin pigment than white people” or “black people tend to have heir that is more curly than asians”.
As far as I’m concerned, there is absolutely nothing racist about pointing out these differences. It only becomes racist when you add “X are better than/worth more than Y because…” before pointing out a difference.
webby Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 4:48 am
as you know it WILL be sung and it offends you ,don’t go.very fkn simple.
why do we have to cater for the weak?
i’m tired of looking out for others, suck it up and move on…princessess
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Harry, those pesky baggies have put us down to 6th….the end is nigh!
I’ll be watching the game at my local booze emporium on Sunday although I must confess I,m not quite looking forward to this as much as other games in the callendar.
Talking of support and that ridiculous ‘booing’ even when we are playing like the proverbial shower, I for one would never induldge in such a pointless and negative exercise, I will grumble and swear and yes be right down hearted when we lose, I save my ranting for your blog, so thanks HH for giving me the forum to whinge and rant, and not take it out pitch side (When I can afford to go that is which is becoming a less frequent occurance these days)
See your actually contributing towards ‘booing’ reduction, a form on Online therapy for disgruntled Spurs fans.
I will still call them a shower when they play like they did against Wigan though!
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Jesus, this has to be one of your most substance-light blogs ever. Which is saying something.
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elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
LLL, welcome back to the ring.
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Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
If you didn’t find the need to bold part of it – that has to be true.
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borisjohnsonstonsils Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
I’ll let you into a secret Boris, being attacked for my use of the message board’s text functions – as I have been surprisingly often – doesn’t really hurt.
I will say this though, he does have some valid points
Thanks for that one though.
borisjohnsonstonsils Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Touche Triple L, i just thought that HH’s comeback was funny is all, as is your use boldness once again.
November 7th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Here’s the situation in simple terms; we have a squad of 28 first team players 17 of which have played for this club fewer than 50 times. Nine players have played at premiership level less than 20 times – in some cases you could go as far as to say they are unproven at Premiership level. It stems from last season when we relied on too fewer players and didn’t test the youngsters. Harry wanted seasoned pro’s and now we are left with a largely untested squad.
It’s nuts to blame AVB for this – he wasn’t here when the squad wasn’t being rotated and he can’t ship out the weak ones until he has properly assessed them. AVB needs to get the number of inexperienced players down to a more workable number and bring in 2 or 3 more of his own type of player to balance things out. Then we can assess him. 3 in and 3 out would do it.
Our problems are not really that deep. It’s the panic that is off the richter scale.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Oh right. It’s Redknapp’s fault. These excuses are getting worse and worse by the day.
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Cheeky Bill Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
It’s not Rednapp’s fault entirely, there are other factors. But you cannot take a ‘year zero’ approach to this – the bulk of the squad is inexperienced at this level. Irrespective of the manager, the tactics, who’s in favour and who’s not. Right now there isn’t enough depth as there was before.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
I’ll take your inexperienced squad and add a very inexperienced manager who also hasn’t played enough games at PL level and that this may perhaps be showing a bit?
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
You’re right. The playing staff AVB has to work with are just as good as Mancini, Rednose and Di Matteo. He has had the exact same opportunity as these three do dictate which players to bring in and ship out over the summer as these three. Spurs’ injury problems are no worse than City, ManU and Cheatski. We are a WHOPPING 5-7 points behind these teams, a gap that can never be closed over the remaining 28 league games.
Therefore everything is 110% all AVB’s fault.
C’mon LLL, seriously. I’m not going to say AVB is perfect. I don’t think he is.
It has to be possible for people on here to point to circumstances other than the manager as contributing factors to our poor performances in the last few games without you jumping in and ridiculing people for not ONLY blaming AVB for EVERYTHING. It’s getting f*cking boring to read the same sh*t coming out of you over and over and over and….
We get it. You think it’s all AVB’s fault because he hasn’t played Adebayor more often. Now find something new to write about.
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elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Arsenal closed a 10 point gap in about 6 games last season.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
@elfranklins
Really? On whom?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Pfft. I’ve never said ‘EVERYTHING IS AVB’S FAULT’. I would just like to see some, small acknowledgement that some of it might be.
I see it the exact opposite way to you. Every day HH splurges out the exact same load of old bollocks about injuries and boo’s. And refuses to countenance any kind of fault or misjudgement on the coach’s part. Now, what I’m asking for is balance and intelligent debate not blanket, blind, partisan support and denouncing anyone who questions anything.
You and me have a different idea of ‘boring’, obviously. I think saying the same thing over and over again, and insulting people who think differently is really, really boring. And I think avoiding a broader debate is cowardly and weak-minded. And boring.
I don’t think it’s all AVB’s fault. But I’ve watched every minute of every game. And a lot of those minutes have been rotten. I’ve already seen a few of the poorest Spurs performances in recent memory. Now, I think most contributors here seem intelligent enough. But you are insulting my intelligence if you expect me to swallow ‘injuries’ as the sole contributing factor to that.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Fair cop, you have never said “everything is AVB’s fault”. That was a bit of artistic license and hyperbole on my part. Doesn’t always work as well in this format.
But you don’t in fact limit yourself to pouncing on those who have said “nothing is AVB’s fault. Time and again you berate anyone who says anything to the effect of “it’s not all AVB’s fault”, which is very different.
By now, any regular reader of these comments is well versed in your scepticism towards AVB, so from that point of view, we are well beyond “broader debate”. You are just regurgitating the same points over and over again, just attaching them to a new poster each time.
What I would love would be for you to let someone point out a potential cause of some of our problems, without you knee-jerking in to centre starge with the “don’t forget, we have a shit manager” line.
And if your beef is mostly with HH and what he writes, why don’t you find another spurs blog?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
I don’t see it like that either. I don’t ‘pounce’ on people who say ‘it’s not all AVB’s fault’. Often what seems to happen is HH spurges up top, and then a lot of people are quite keen to agree with him. Call them the bum buys or the wannabe HH Spice Girls or whatever you want. But there is definitely a lack of real debate here. I personally don’t think that’s my fault! This place is polarized because the conversation from the leader is one way. This has been proven in recent days by his complete avoidance of trickier questions. This lends itself to a situation where people seem to want to take sides. But the situation Spurs are in is far more nuanced than any one side of a for and against debate will solve. Yes, there are injuries. Yes, the Summer transfer drive was a mixed bag (something some people were saying at the time but were being told to stop being so negative just as they are now). Yes, AVB has not lit up White Hart Lane with the way he’s set up his team and his tactics have not been very impressive so far. Yes, this has led to a tense atmosphere. Yes, booing is counter-productive. But all you hear on this page is the booing and the injuries. Is that balanced?
If you just want this page to be a cult members group for AVB and a place to complain about the media conspiracy against him and the club and cry to the heavens about the terrible injustice of our injuries, then maybe you’re right, I should find another Spurs blog.
Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
No one wants a cult members group.
I think it’s more a case of you being perceived as someone who wants to argue every conceivable point with anyone.
You’re welcome to do that of course.
Some posters only pop on here to tell me I’m an idiot or whatever, but at least they appear to discriminate!
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
And btw, I and other people have come up with several things which AVB could perhaps have done better or differently. You obviously aren’t reading. Or else your faith is blinding you.
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I don’t think that I have ever seen you agree with anyone, LLL.
Calling people bum buys and HH Spice Girls is really rather purile.
Part of the pleasure of debating and discussing things “all Tottenham” is to create an affinity with fellow fans and on occasions have a laugh.
I said “part of”.
Are you as truly humourless as your angry, argumentative posts portray you?
I notice the paragraphs are getting fewer as the rants grow in intensity!
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
That should kick it off.
Cheeky Bill Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Right, back from lunch. What have I missed?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
@HH
That may be your perception, but I do agree with some people, they are just in the minority here, which kind of follows on from my previous post if you think about it.
@Bruxie
Bruxie, Bruxie, Bruxie, Bruxie.
Bruxie.
You never engage with the point, you always try, try and try to score one instead. Much like HH himself (btw what is your nickname in the gang? Gimpy Spice?).
There are some people I agree with here, if you want to see that then look closer. But I don’t need to feel an affinity with anonymous men on the internet, whatever their affiliation.
Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
It’s not my perception.
I don’t have one.
I simply believe that most people must think you’re a professional arguist.
You are are after all mostly arguing.
So hardly a leap?
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“definitely a lack of real debate here”
I couldn’t disagree more.
There are plenty here who tend to agree with HH, and plenty who disagree. There are some who time and time again again try to sell used gentlmens bicycles, or inform us of illegal sbstance abuse ruining the professional game.
Harry Hotspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
All I want for Christmas is a chemically enhanced bicycle.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
“I couldn’t disagree more.”
No, I couldn’t disagree more. Want to fight about it?
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Humourless.
You’re in a vacuum.
Everyone against you?
Gimpy Spice.
You assume I’m not disabled. Nice.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Is that a poem?
No, I assume you are HH’s main gimp. Quite the difference.
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
It will not be long before you alienate everyone on here.
Keep it going.
You are really showing your true colours. Any debate on the race issue?
Or are you fixated on the disability gig?
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
No point at all in a “who’s been posting here longer” pissing contest. I’ve been here long enough to know, though, that the HH fan(ataics) club you seem to see doesn’t really exist. Pretty much every long time poster here has variously agreed and disagreed with the blog’s author depending on what was being discussed (Redknapp, Olympic Stadium, Crazy Pavin’ etc, etc).
You, however, seem to be sadly predictable in disagreeing with anything and everything HH writes, and anything written by anyone else who seems to agree with him. You seem now to be defnding your incessant contrarianism with some form of ‘enlightening the sheep’. If that is in fact what you are doing, please be aware that it is a public service which is totally uneccessary.
By all means, share your opinions. Back it up with observations. But don’t just disagree with people simply because they happen to agree with something HH wrote at some point.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
What are you talking about you simpleton?
Gimp. a sexual fetishist who likes to be dominated and who dresses in a leather or rubber body suit with mask, zips, and chains.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
@LL
I don’t always disagree with HH, just normally.
I can’t remember when I first started looking on this page, but I do know there is a culture of chumminess like most internet message boards I guess. After all, who would keep returning to a message board where they don’t agree with anything the blog writer says?
And what you are saying is not true. I personally feel that our problems this season are multi-pronged, and it annoys me that the blog leader is pushing a simplistic excuse based analysis which seems mostly to do with his own previous trumpet-blowing and little to do with the facts unravelling in front of our eyes. So that’s what I disagree with, and disagree with people who comply with and perpetuate this kind of myth-making.
You say I am an incessant contrarian and people always say I will argue with anything. Whereas I think I am quite consistent and always argue about the same thing. It’s clear enough that most people disagree with me. That’s OK by me!
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
This puts you in an age group which has absolutely no idea of the origins of words.
So – you’ve seen Pulp Fiction.
Gimp is a word used in the fifties, sixties and seventies to describe people with disabilities, limps and immobility.
You should see from my Avatar that I am “of an age” and you have no comprehansion of how much you offend with your light-fingered keyboard skills.
F888K off.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
“Gimp” is a derogatory/insulting term for someone with a limp, or more broadly a handicap of some type.
It has nothing to do with bondage or anything like that. The character “The Gimp” in Pulp Fiction was thus named by his rather unpleasant masters because he was, according to the story, mentally handicapped.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
This puts you in an age group which has absolutely no idea of the origins of words.
I’ve told you before, I’m 14.
Words can have more than one meaning. If I were to call you a bellend, I would more than likely mean that you were a bit of a fool, not that you were literally the glans of a penis.
I know you like to score points so you will cling on to some false offence caused by an alternative meaning by way of tying to clock one up. But it’s really rather childish, especially for a man of your age (how am I supposed to know what that is btw?). Isn’t it?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
@LL
You too?
It has nothing to do with bondage or anything like that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_suit
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Look, LLL… I am not in the minority here, in experiencing you as combative in the extreme.
You’re not here to be popular, and that’s a good thing. A word of advice, though. If all you ever do is disagree with people, insult them, and claim that all their opinions are in fact simply due to the fact that they are sheep – you won’t last long here.
In addition to instigating arguments (they’re not debates, as it stands), why don’t you try agreeing with someone about something at some point.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
It is called a “gimp suit” solely as a result of the lasting pop culture imagery of Pulp Fiction.
The term “gimp” absolutely, 100%, is a derogatory term for a limping or handicapped person.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
@LL
I hardly ever insult anyone, and I think only in retaliation to other people’s insults in fact. Insulting anonymous people might be fun for some people, but I don’t find it a good way of making a point.
And I do agree with some people. Just not as often as I disagree with them here. If it bothers you this much, pay a bit more attention and you’ll see it happening.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@LL
That may or may not be true, but I’ve never heard it used in that sense before in my entire lifetime (of 14 years), so it goes to show that language changes and people should be aware of that and not leap to false offence.
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
There you go again.
You have no appreciation of the condition of some posters on here.
I am white. But I object to the “N” word.
And legally, I could make a case against any user who uses that term in a derogatory way.
Similarly, I could take offence at any derogatory word describing disabilities. And I would be well within my rights to do so.
There are bloggers all over the world whose only access to the outside world is through the web. You have probably offended more than you think over this “term”.
But you will not see that. For you are always right.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
For christs sake Bruxie, there is point-scoring and there is really desperate, clawing point-scoring.
It’s 100% clear that I meant no such insult or meaning. I meant to say that you and HH wear rubber suits and zips and leather and whips and whatever else it is you get up to. Which, incidentally, is fine by me. Whatever floats your boat.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Look. I have better things to do than lecture a contrarian tween in online behaviour. I’ve already spent a laughable amount of time on this thread.
You know now how I feel about the general tone and content of your posts. If you have any insight, you will realise that many here agree with me on this.
As it stands, unless you change your tune in the future to something more constructive and engaging, I’m done responding to your posts.
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
You have too vivid an imagination.
Hope you got off on the thought.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
You know now how I feel about the general tone and content of your posts. If you have any insight, you will realise that many here agree with me on this.
I already said – a few lines up – that I know most people don’t agree with me, and I’m ‘cool’ with that.
As it stands, unless you change your tune in the future to something more constructive and engaging, I’m done responding to your posts
Errm. Ok.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
You have too vivid an imagination.
When I was at school my English teacher told me this was a good trait to have. But now it hampers me in online message board discussions.
Hope you got off on the thought.
Why? Do you get off on me getting off on the thought? That’s pretty whacked out, Bruxie.
Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
You’re an idiot!
abe Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The playing staff that avb has is as good as Chelsea, Utd. You cannot be serious. Mata, Oscar, Hazard are better than we have.
Hot_Spur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
LLL
You say that you do agree with some people on here??? Hmm, seems they’ve both been absent recently then.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
You stay out of it, Hot_Spur.
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philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
AGREE THERE ARE SOME LONG TONGUE ASSLICKERS ON HERE,LOVE THE BANTER,LONG MAY IT LAST,CAPITAL SHOW OLD CHAP.
Cheshuntboy Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
LLL – You are a beacon (in fact THE beacon) of intelligence on this benighted site, and how you keep (relatively) calm in the face of the vitriol which invariably greets your comments is quite beyond me (just like the blind AVB/Levy love which seems de rigeur for the majority of the bottom-feeders who dwell here). There ARE people who agree with you, we don’t all share your masochistic tendencies though.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
LLL has his own,bum,spice,gimp brigade,how very jolly.
philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
THEY ARE NOT A PATCH ON YOU FRONTWHEEL 2 AT SLAGGING,YOU ARE NOT FROM A HYBRID,cheap penny farthing i would guess.
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
StrappingYoungLad Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
LYNCH HIM!!!!
November 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
I tweeted the whipper snapper that he may want to re-phrase that.. I am a normal Spurs fan with alternative musical leanings (HH will confirm this) unlike many who will panic at the smallest thing like Defoe sneezing or a Rolling Stones reunion that may affect Spurs in some bizarre way….
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I can cope with the losses after a few days moaning but what i cant get me head round is our Managers media skills and sounding like he needs a big cough. He should suck a Fisher mans friend because if he carry’s on doing his ting that’s all the friends he will have. Harry use to puts is arms around his players while Avb hits them with his clip board. We have to trust him but with Ukad impotent in there task to stop energy shocks and Avb clueless along with many many many fans it will be a hard season especially with Avb flogging Bale and co on Thursdays. We play City and they are the only team who have a player caught sat watching Rooney’s overhead shank won all three points otherwise it would have bean 1-1. Toure was full of slimming drugs to help with is fat belly is version not mine. I hope his energetic Bro has not got the same belly trouble or we could be out energized like we was at Wigan Pie eaters,?
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Ther were a lot of season ticket borrowers there on Saturday. It was Wigan and a lot of season ticket holders give up their ticket for fixtures like this.
I had a tourettes victim next to me. Seemingly.
Never seen him before – but my could he swear and booo.
I’m interested in the discussion about the Y word. I have to say I’ll abide by the opinion of those who might be offended…but I’d like them (the BLS) to hear both sides of the argument before coming out all guns blazing.
Tolerence goes both ways and their unfortunate moniker suggests a little bit of radicalism. That’s only my perception.
A debate is needed. Driving things “underground” never did work, Messrs Lineker & Badiel!
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
No, a debate is not needed (imo). Spurs fans chanting “Yid Army” has nothing do to with dicrimination, or any opinion that one ethnic group is of greater worth than any other. Therefore, it has nothing to do with racism.
An individual member of an ethnic group being offended by something is not synonymous with that thing being racist.
ALL Arsenal chants offend me. Should they be made to stop? Of course not.
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Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
A lack of debate will fuel any injustice.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I should rephrase. A debate shouldn’t be needed, as to me it seems totally obvious that “Yid Army” is not racist.
Openness and conversation are always good things, in the end.
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Agreed!
elfranklins Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I recently discovered that Ajax call them selves ‘The Super Jews’ after embrassing what was first meant as an insult by rival football factions.
Does this mean therefore that we have the first ever twinned teams? you know like when you see ‘Little hampton twinned with Zebrugge’
Tottenham Hotspur (The Yids) Twinned with Ajax (the Super Jews)
P.S LosLorenzo, I did get the tone of your previous post, Just fishing!
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I figured it, so I went for the facetious response rather than lauching into a more detailed explanation of the point I was making
UnkleKev Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Whenever I see the word Littlehampton I immediately think of Sid James for some reason. Guaranteed to put a smile on my face every time.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Hampton Court
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Hampton Wick.
God, I’m slow.
UnkleKev Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
November 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We are in serious trouble this weekend, hoping Sandro is fit if not hopefully avb will try putting jan next to hudd. With Naughton at Lb an siggy supporting ade. I believe this is the only way to keep a strong spine through the team.
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gus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Without Sandro or Parker our spine is weak. Livermore is forgettable Hudd is slow and unfit, did I miss anyone?
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davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
You would lose a race with Hudds its not him thats slow its the fuckers he plays against who are lets say helped you must think Paddy had a cold Toure had a weight problem and Armstrong was innocent. Tom Huddlestone was missing for 14 months if he looked like Fellani who is moving a lot faster since he lost three stone of his face he would be another cheat his gifts are excellent passing being suffed out by fucking cheats full up with every supplement known to man and some not known. He can move and if you knew his states over a certain distance he is one of the quickest and according to M Dawson the best trainer. When Dembele comes back and Avb wakes up and sees Ady is 6ft4 and then Hudds can pass to his head or feet he can then hold it up Bale Lennon Defoe and any other fucker can bomb forward we will Win a lot easier even with Dembo back . This is the remedy when a team comes or we play them twice in the first half and the second Southampton Utd to name two. Lloris for 41 Dawson for 35 ADY for Demp not Defoe and i will bet any money we win and play the Spurs way.
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UnkleKev Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
The real tragedy is that City look eminently beatable at the moment; it’s such a shame that we’re unlikely to be in a position to take full advantage.
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davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
May i remind you they are unbeaten and if they stayed on the pitch at half time i would bet 1000 pound we would win. N .W Tempo (Toure)living proof one of the lucky ones.
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Those ten black lawyers are exclusively racsist. they should consist of two of the following,2 white, 2 women 2 gays,2 jews .
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Two gays in the same group? Wouldn’t work. They’d just end up shagging each other constantly.
What ethnicity are the women?
[disclaimer: the gay bit was meant as satire of homophobes. I am aware that homosexuals are not sex-crazed fiends]
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davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Bloody ell H.H get a grip of your Boys Oh I mean men they are talking about gays drugs the Y word. You will end up in Eqador’s embassy seeking Asylum another Wiki Leeks
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Any gimps?
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
What has bondage got to do with anything?
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
It would keep the L to the double L happy.
Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
What has bondage got to do with anything?
That’s my favourite Tina Turner song.,
November 7th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Another thing to consider is had we WON against Wigan, we’d have won an average of 2 points per game.. Something a certain Mr Redknapp had previously pointed out would almost guarentee CL football across a season! Imagine what we may have achieved this season thus far without a completely crocked squad & suitable replacements for our world class outgoings!!
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cookiebun Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Or David Moyes.
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Tom C Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Just to follow on from my earlier comments, the press are being able to use a number of Tottenham supporters as puppets at the moment. If you hadn’t noticed they have been trying to bring down AVB from the moment he got the job. I wonder if those same fans would be jumping for joy as they burned down their own houses? Because that is what is happening at the moment & it’s sheer stupidity. The sooner they wake up & realise that their new found alliance with the media is killing off any progression at Tottenham Hotspur, the better!
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
David Ike is in town, are you going to see him speak?
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I thought you were David Ike-his speech apparently went on for hours and hours-and all without cribs
Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Guffaw.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Snigger.
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Titter.
Tom C Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
When was David Ike popular?
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Perhaps we can wear a purple kit and just blame everything on the lizards-Dempsey’s eye’s do look a little bit on the bulging side don’t you think?
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
He is more popular than ever apparently. Filled a 6000 seater who sat all the way through a 10 hour speech. That’s more than we might get for Maribor at home on Thursday, which will probably seem longer than 10 hours too.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Yeah, I was pretty amazed after watching HIGNFY over the weekend-who’d have though 6k people could pay good money and listen to a pile of crap-especially after me and 35,999 others watched a pile of crap, but it only lasted 90 mins to be fair
davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
No mate we are trying to save our House from Avb system plan B. Boredom Bailiffs Boos beaten . We have the finest Wingers who beat there full backs look up and see seven defenders blocking our lone attacker Defoe how easy is that give me the petrol
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Tom C Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I think Adebayor partnered Dempsey up front for a while on Saturday.. We were unable to hold on to the ball in midfield as our central creativity (Dembele) was injured, leaving Sigurdsson who is lacking confidence & a run in the team, & Huddlestone who is still gaining match fitness after a YEAR out. Our defensive midfielders are all injured so we were finding it hard to regain possession. Resorting to 2 big centre forwards came about due to a switch to route one football – not what anyone would prefer but a tactic often employed in football when things aren’t going quite as planned. Lennon & Bale didn’t deliver many good balls into the box either.. infact, the best cross of the game came from Vertonghen.
I can only fault AVB for perhaps delaying the change in tactics until too late.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Correction Tom C, Hudds been out for the best part of TWO season’s, mate
Tom C Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Stand corrected essexian76
November 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
So, all these people having a pop at AVB: what do you want to happen? You want him sacked? After 10 games? And then..?
Grow a fucking pair and weather the storm. Nobody is being sacked. And if he was you would just shift your blame to Levy for being so fickle.
AVB is far from blameless, but all this calling for his head makes you sound like Piers Morgan. Give it a rest.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I’m pulling out the Bold for this one again, I don’t care what anyone thinks.
AVB is far from blameless,
but all this calling for his head makes you sound like Piers Morgan.
Ouch!
But, who is calling for his head exactly?
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StrappingYoungLad Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Too far man, too far.
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davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Then Levey gets sacked and if Lewis opens his tax exile gob he will get sacked. Then i will fly over the Lane and say fucking hell that used to be my club full of weeds a torn Flag of St David fluttering and a Golden Cockerel Crest fallen and broken. Bloody hell that depressed me I think we should all get behind Croaky Cluso Avb and hope he gets his Tactics right.
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
times have changed. i went to WBA about 8 yrs ago and a couple of baggies fans were doing the salute and the big nose gestures. i complained to a member of west midlands constabulary and he told me to belt up or risk arrest! laughable. and herbert chapmann or whatever his name from this law society, you mug, you haven’t understood the issue at all have you? i’ll be hiring you if i ever need a good lawyer..
for the record, im a season tkt holder at the Lane for 25 years, and jewish. Sue me.
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Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Do you contribute to the Yid Army chant?
You didn’t say. I’d be interested to know your view.
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dixta Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
yep, no prob with those chants. they are not sung continually all game, just in short bursts here and there e.g. Jermain Defoe song, park lane/shelf side followed by a quick “Y” recognition, Gazza was a geordie but now he’s a J was a great one, and if a loyal or hard working player does something we like he get’s a quick Y chant. It’s great when an old player comes on at half time like Dave Mackay bless him, Mabbs etc and they get a warm “Y”. The 6 claps followed by a deep “Y” is a bit rude but again it’s a only a quick cheeky chant. Sorry if it offends Herbie the lawyer or Badiel.
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Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Cheers Dixta.
Refreshing outlook!
How many films do we see where black people call themselves the “N” word?
Very similar ethos.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Isn’t it a bit like you knowing your missus is a moose-but would get highly offended if a stranger called her fat?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
That was a generic moose BTW no offence intended to those with Moose or Pigs in their blankets (can I say Pig on a Spurs blog?), oh, well
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Shall we start a chant, Essexian?
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
What like…
‘Pig in a blanket-my wife’s a pig in a blanket-peeeeg in a blanket-etc’
‘Or my Ol’ gals a porker, she’s big an’ round an’ fat-
I like to get shot of ‘er-but she wears a Tottenham hat- Oi!
Bruxie Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Well said Sir Iam a baldy bastard from Widnes a a Rugby town and Love Spurs dearly
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
We’re sixth.
The question is how would Martinez have fared with the Spurs squad, or Rogers with the Spurs squad compared to how AVB is doing.
If being a lucky manager is a requirement of success, I think we’ll be fine coz AVB is definitely lucky. Some results have been more luck the judgement (don’t make me list).
Let’s hope AVB is also a fast learner, because the English Premier League is nothing like the Portuguese Premier League. Thinking you can defend a slender lead for 30 – 40 mins in the Premier League shows a lack of understanding of the way premier league teams go about their business. We got lucky against Manure. Who of us would be deluded enough to believe that if we play that scenario out again 10 times, 9 times Manure would come back to win.
Until AVB gets a handle on the Premiership, he and us are gonna need all his luck. My only worry: it’s starting to look like a steep learning curve.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Rennix, I agree with everything you say, and I would like the fact that I’m in agreement to be put down on the record.
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
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rennix Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
You’re a sweetheart! (In a manly way, of course).
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Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Now, now – that’s not the same as him agreeing with you and you know it, you naughty boy, you!!!
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November 7th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
AVB clutching his notebook and pen in the dug out reminds me of a scene in an old film called “Those Magnificent Men In Their Flying Machines”. In that, a sterotype German pilot hastily studies the flying rule book as his aircraft hurtles to earth and crashes. Let’s hope the parachute opens before it is too late.
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davspurs Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Haaaaaaaaaaaa Well Said Avb reminds me of the man who jumped from the balloon in space he was all alone and shitting himself but he landed safely lets hope he does. Coys
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Gert Frobe, who played Goldfinger?
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November 7th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
The scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark when they are on a bridge and Harrison Ford is confronted with
3 Ninja types performing with their swords…and he looks and calmly takes out his pistol and shoots them comes to mind.
When I used to play footie,later on I played more defence and never looked at the attackers feet,only the ball.
Its elementary my dear Watson.
Just look and see the facts,ma’am.All the facts and thou shall find.
The quality has been average at best even though it looks by the league position better than that.
It hasnt been that long since the manager started
to be able to assess the situation.
There have been lots of injuries
We have shown that we are just as bad against poor teams than good teams
The plan is at best obtuse to most of us laymen at the very moment
The team hasnt played well and individual stars have occasionally shined here and then.
AVB needs more time and for me he can have this season. For me there are two main points about for not supporting AVB after this season
a) We go down
b) Bale leaves
If we dont do well and Bale wants to leave then AVB hasn’t sold him on the future and thats another reason
but my friends we are a long way from those two points.
BAE,Kaboul,Dembele will make us strong later
AVB has to adapt better for sure but this is not panic stations or doomsday.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
All good points Ronnie-I would emphasis that (my hobby horse)-chasing the Europa Cup is not only draining our resources-it’s not even a guarantee any of our better players would stay on the back of winning it-Keane and Berba left after our LC cup win as did Carrick when we failed by a lasagne to qualify back in 06-It’s only qualification for the CL that holds any sway with modern players-anything else is superficial. I would have thought Modric would’ve been persuaded to stay another season if we’d have made it last year-only my take-but there you go.
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Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
It looks like a very short stay for Man City. I hope it was all worth it for them. Maybe you can’t buy The European Championship.
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Well you’ve got to be in it to win it BC-can’t help wondering in we had-what our situation would be right now-kismet Hardy-kismet
Boy Charioteer Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
C’est la vie!
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
BC,the train is back in the station.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
For sure Essex the Europa is hurting now we are hurt.
I say dump it considering the injuries and concentrate on one thing. Making the team flow.
Make sure the players are on board.And Stay up.
and work for next year.Get the quality and solidity factor up
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essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I did say way back when-not to take it seriously in the first place-It was only ever going to be an obstacle and one not worth the risk in terms of injury-fatigue or the rewards..It should only ever be used for blooding kids and playing the ressies-no more-no less-but it’s too late now-the damage has been done
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Some unfortunate injuries not just there.But the f-ing Carling cup??????????????
Playing half of our players was diabolical
BrizzleSpur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Well said mate, agree with that.
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November 7th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Assou Ekotto was at best naive and at worst stupid for that tweet. Nice one BAE, that was helpful…….. Not!
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November 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Isn’t Badiel a Chelsea fan? I remember seeng an interview with a former Spurs hooligan years and years ago. He said he used to hate and loathe other fans, I’m sure he mentioned Chelsea, calling us Yiddos (and worse!). Over time, he said he grew to love that chant, because it nullified the real hatred intended by other fans. Funny how the word ‘Black’ can have positive and negative connotations, but not yid? These guys can call themselves the Black Lawyers association, but we can’t call ourselves the Yid Army? There is no difference at all between the two. We both use the terms for almost identical reasons.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
I remember he had the fantasy football league show and he done a reenactment of Villa’s goal against Man C and Ricky was dressed as a Hasidic Jew,very PC
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dixta Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
v good point gonzo
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November 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Fair play to Tottenham Hotspur FC,they told the black lawyers group to Eff off in so many words,Yid Army Yid Army!
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LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Yes. Think that was the first time I’ve heard the club voice a position on this issue. Was very glad to hear it.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
It seems a bit like the Black Lawyers group are just looking for a few things to make a bit of noise about as they are trying to establish themselves. Which is a bit of a shame, as I’m not against an alternative to the Kick it Out campaign, which hasn’t really achieved much. They should realize that it’s a case of dealing with the problems as they unfold rather than trying to generate some coverage. The way they worded their statement about this issue, saying there was no difference between a Spurs fan saying it or an opposing fan, betrayed either a very basic lack of understanding or a cack-handed ‘one rule for all’ idea which won’t solve anything.
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
The kick it out campaign has achieved plenty in my view,awareness makes people accountable for their own actions and plenty of causes like it have helped over the years.I squirm inside when I think of the language that was bog standard when I was a wee laddie.
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LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Well, collectively things have moved on a bit. But I think that the fact it was 99% black footballers being wheeled out to do the KIO campaigning wasn’t great, for instance. And when you see John Terry wearing an armband, I can see how some people might think it is a bit tokenistic.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Or if more of those ethnic minorities actually attended games, then by their presence alone less racism would exist,wouldn’t you consider?
It always seems strange to me how disproportionate, regardless of the country (France-Belgium- Holland etc)-how few black fans there are in comparison to black players on the field-just my observation though?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
The comparison should be somewhat relative to the population not the players
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Well the last time I looked Tottenham was a pretty diverse area-as is Thornton Heath and many other London Boroughs that have Premier League teams in their catchment areas-but mostly fans are white working class and that was evident when the camera panned to the Ajax crowd last night.
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
or no comparison.
I agree with civil rights by the way and also fairness to minorities but not when it gets ridiculous.
Obama has a very good view of where it should be
LLL Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
It is slightly strange. I think that historically, an all male, white and working class crowd may not be the most welcoming environment for ‘minorities’. Meaning, following football is traditionally a white, working class, male pursuit. Nothing wrong with that, just goes some way to explain the mix-up of the crowd.
The other factor to consider is economics. Black people and other minorities by percentage have less ‘disposable’ income. (How many times has the term ‘disposable income’ been literally true when attending Spurs games btw? ;-))
Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
LLL,John Terry does throw a spanner in the works,no matter what he does,he’s a lost cause,he shouldn’t be allowed to halt progress though.Every bit of awareness making helps,imo.
LosLorenzo Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Sadly, economic prosperity is fairly skewed between ethnic groups, both in North London and Amsterdam. If ethnic minorities also earned the same wages as their white counterparts I think we’d see them represented on the terraces more correctly in proportion with their share of the population.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Sorry had to pop out-I recently worked in Croydon and was by far outnumbered by my colleagues all of whom were on the same financial package as me-we all talked football-but my work-mates-all either ‘supported’ Arsenal or Man Utd/Liverpool-none supported Palace I noted, yet to a man all thought Millwall were a team supported by racists-not a single black guy actually attended games, now this was out of around 25 guys-yet they all played or had at one time-and the area is similar in ethnicity as Tottenham, where I understand about 2% of locals go to games-you can blame many reasons-but you must have desire to want to go in the first place I’d have thought? All I’m alluding to is if there were more black and Asian faces at games, immediately anyone would think twice at shouting any abuse aimed at specific races?
Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I agree it would be better but you cant force people come to football.Are you suggesting a gulag at the lane of some sort,Essex??????
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Oh, Well-worth a try I guess, still there’s no reason to remain at the Lane then as most of our support isn’t representative of the local area anymore-and hasn’t been for a generation or more-so Stratford it is then
November 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I think criticisms should be welcome regardless of any constructive ideas. It’s only when criticisms lead to an incorrect hypothesis that I find them infuriating.
We can’t judge AVB yet because it’s not a fair test. Ok so I guess you could judge him but my point is that it wont lead to any revelations because there are none.
This season was always going to be an exercise in humility what with so many fundamental changes. The current situation begs for patience so to behave impatiently makes people ask questions that do not need answering.
Our current squad minus the injuries isn’t very good basically.
In July, AVB inherited (arguably) a top-4 side.
What he has now (at this precise moment in time) is a top-8 side at best.
Comparing this squad, this year against the squad this time last year IS NOT A FAIR TEST.
We have an opportunity to have a coach build a team from a solid foundation which I believe is the ONE thing we do have. Lots of very capable players at the back with the exception of Walker I suppose. But it would be stupid to write him off too soon.
That paragraph above is basically where Spurs have been for decades IMO, but now it’s different. AVB has a great opportunity to make Spurs his own and steadily build something that will last.
I find it very difficult to write that and not sound like I’m basing it all on some kind of fanatical belief derived from my ambition to see them do well. I strongly feel that it’s time to stop playing silly buggers and hiring/firing managers on a yearly basis. AVB is young and could potentially do what Fergie did given the time and support he needs. I can take a few seasons of stick from Gooners and chavs if I believe what we’re doing is right. And I do.
So there.
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November 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
More pro AVB crap
AVB out out out
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November 7th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If AVB was established (meaning, at least 1 season under his belt) with a fully-fit squad (containing signings he actually wanted)and we were flirting with relegation or even back to the not-so-long-ago days of mid-table mediocrity, then I could understand the kind of criticism I’ve seen lately. As none of the above criteria applies, I am baffled by it.
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BrizzleSpur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Same.
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November 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
The Eyeballer don’t like the sound of this Society for Black Lawyers – are they an underground movement like the People’s Front of Judea?
Tottenham fans singing about ‘Yids’ is part of our identity. Enough said.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: The Eyeballer just saw the provisional squad for the Maribor game on Thursday on London 24….no mention of Adebayor.
The Eyeballer thinks that this game would be the perfect opportunity to pair adebayor with defoe and hopefully get some goals at home…
The Eyeballer’s Provisional Team Vs Maribor
Lloris
Naughton Dawson Caulker Walker
Bale Vert. Thudd. Falque
Ade Defoe
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November 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Yiddish(yid) is a Language not a Peoples,so no race intent
For nearly a thousand years, Yiddish was the primary, and sometimes only, language that Ashkenazi Jews spoke.
Advertisement for New York performance of King Lear in Yiddish, early 1900s.
Unlike most languages, which are spoken by the residents of a particular area or by members of a particular nationality, Yiddish – at the height of its usage – was spoken by millions of Jews of different nationalities all over the globe. The decimation of European Jewry during the Holocaust in the mid-twentieth century marked the end of Yiddish as a widely spoken language and of the unique culture the language generated. Today, select groups of ultra-Orthodox Jews continue to use Yiddish as their primary language. Yiddish language is now widely studied in the non-Jewish and academic worlds
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Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Yep, not quite the point, Phil, but good try…
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Frontwheel 2 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Bitch
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Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Bee-atch?
Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
???
Spurstacus Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I hate the way this site won’t allow Hebrew or Yiddish.
philmccrackin Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Please expand,as I do not follow your gist,mine is factual.
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Ronnie Wolman Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Ok dont expand see if I care,did I ask you?
maybe you owe ME 50 dollars
Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Your account is absolutely factually correct. What is also true is that many, many Jewish people find the term Yid highly offensive, despite its long historical significance.
Mainly, this stems from the misappropriation of the work by racists throughout the 20th Century, when it was almost exclusively used by non-Jews to describe Jews in a wholly perjorative way (“dirty, f*cking Yid…”, etc).
This use became engrained. It entirely overwhelmed the historical meaning: in fact, the historical context became irrelevant.
I understand that Spurs fans have reclaimed the word and I fully support that (and shoving it down the racists’ throats).
However, it would be incorrect to say that a large number of Jewish people don’t find the term highly offensive, despite its historical meaning, as they do…
It’s a bit like saying – “Paki” can’t be offensive, it’s just short for “Pakistani” … and, anyway, Pakistani is a nationality, so what could be less offensive than that?
We all know that the term “Paki” is rarely, if ever, used in a positive context. The same is/was true of Yid.
essexian76 Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
And the Paki in Pakistan actually means beautiful I think?
Billy Legit Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Yeah, and that’s why your average bargain basement racist low life scum uses it as a term of abuse and belittlement is it?………it’s a term of endearment isn’t it?
FFS!
November 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Tell you what, this black lawyers society is enough to turn you racist. When will these idiots give up. We are not racially abusing our own fans ffs. Like the statement form spurs says, its the scum like chelsea who actually come to us and use “yid” as abuse. We have adopted it as tribal and it deflects and nullifys the abusive element. I think it was a jewish group of spurs fans that started it anyhow? So Baddiel, bls or whoever. TURN IT IN YOU F-ING MORONS.
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Also its disgusting that racism is being used slyly in a psy op sense to undermine freedom of speech. If any reacts to that statement with outrage it just proves that point. Try not to misinterpret.
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November 7th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
AVB is sh*t….end of chat
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Alspur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Well, it wasn’t much of a chat, then, was it?
Why must you deny us the undoubted brilliance of your further outpourings? I, for one, feel wholly deprived…
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November 7th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
The Society of Black Lawyers, BET (Black Entertainment Television)and Ebony magazine would all have a f..king cow if there was a Society of White Lawyers, WET(White Entertainment Television) or Ivory magazine yet they want to preach to us about racism over a chant that was borne as a badge of pride against racists that hurled the chant towards us. What is the difference when a Black person uses the “N” word
COYYAS
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East Stand Reply:
November 8th, 2012 at 12:19 am
They have no place getting involved in something that isn’t at all related to racism in my opinion. Ben Elton was on the t.v the other day (who is Jewish in case you didn’t know!!) and he regards being Jewish as a religion and not a race which is quite clearly right. Anti-semitism is not racism it is the same as with Islamic people, Catholics, Protestants etc etc.
Why they’re sticking their nose into this i don’t know, they are way out of their depth to me. Although i have a hunch…
They don’t want to be seen as putting offensive behaviour towards black people higher up the adgenda than other forms of prejudice. That could be seen in a round about way as racist in itself and divisive which is an accusation they’re clearly trying to deflect by getting in on the Spurs thing.
They are making a lame attempt to be ‘inclusive’ about who they represent. If you want to do that then DON’T form a break away body with the word ‘Black’ in it and make sure all people are included that could be offended by anyone at any given time. Believe it or not a body exists like that in football already and it’s called the bloody PFA!!
The whole thing is poorly thought out and will become a laughing stock eventually if they carry on like this. They’d be better off putting their resources into pressuring the PFA to deal with the issues rather than this amateurish nonsense.
Well, here’s me thinking lawyers were supposed to be smart!!
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November 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
The most interesting factor of the whole ‘Yid’ saga, is that Jews are not even ‘Semitic’. Never have been – Never will be. There are 13 Semitic tribes and Jews are not one of them. The term ‘anti-Semite’ is a slur against those speaking out against the fractional reserve banking system. (Controlled mainly by ‘Jews’). Seriously, look into it folks. People that use the term ‘anti-Semitic’, are not fully understanding the geography of the region and are bedazzled by media propaganda.
For those of you that watch television, (which I don’t, hence why I have time to educate myself on the history and facts), it is controlled by the Elite banking families. They use the term ‘Anti-Semite’ to stifle dissent among those who are well aware of how criminal the banking system is. Banking means ‘the creation & control of debt’. Debt creates slavery & poverty. Poverty creates dependency on the governments. The banks fund the governments. That’s why every time the bankers steal the money and crash the economy, governments bail them out and pass us the bill. It’s the evolution of slavery. We don’t get beaten by herders anymore – we simply get a banking system and taxes.
Economics lesson 101 there from me – And anybody that feels the urge to have a pop or argue the facts, remember one thing. Just because you don’t agree and feel the need to defend the shite status quo, it doesn’t change the history of the Middle East, the history of the ‘Jews’ or, the FACTS.
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November 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
What Next the Barmy Army getting sued by Barmy People Rolf Harris for singing two little boys . We have Men Marrying Men Women with strap on dicks Men Dressed has Women Jimmy Saville getting dug up to face trial and the word Y is offensive to a Chelsea supporter Badiel I wonder what Aliens would think if they was watching us lot stupidffffuckinhhhhhhhhhhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumans
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miamispur Reply:
November 7th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Depends on what kind of “energy drinks” they are on Dav!
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
i dont think the way spurs fans use the Y word can be equated with how other groups use any other words. it’s unique, courageous, defiant, warm, inclusive, ironic, subtle, cockney/jewish banter born on the terraces of English football. it’s not like a rapper in LA calling his mate a N. Not a bit. sorry lefty intellectuals, get your pc kicks somewhere else. and as i posted earlier, the arrogance of this herbert punter from one minority group trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to a word another minority group uses AGAINST ITSELF FFS! defies belief.
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November 7th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Back to the whole BAE thing if i may?
We all must realise that a section of the press are out to get AVB and we must not get swept along with it. Let the bloke do his job, we want to have a go at him for poor results and ‘watching paint dry’ football then fair enough but we must ensure it’s about the job he’s doing and not the Daily Mail’s take on events!! I still have a fear he’s not all that though and quite possibly out of his depth, but anyway…
Back to the race ‘thing’ if i may?
I think the club have said it all in their statement. The context and intent are completely what it’s all about. Ok our nickname may not have stuck if it had come about in the last 10-20 years but it’s an old, ultra non pc way of reclaiming an insult. I’m sure a lot of people cringe about it but it’s clearly not being used to offend, so let’s just live with it eh?
David Badiel needs to realise that if Spurs were his club, he wouldn’t find it offensive in quite the same way. Yes the word is in itself originally derogatory but not the way Spurs fans use it. A lot that use it aren’t Jewish, a reason why they shouldn’t in his opinion but that’s missing the point. It is not being used in a derogatory context, in fact the complete opposite and therefore it is NOT racist and as a result there is no discussion to be had!!
Badiel not really very funny, if he ever was!! He obviously needs something to do with himself what with no t.v shows and that. He’s clearly a bright bloke but he’s called this wrong in my opinion. A typical middle class person pontificating on a working class ‘gallows’ style humour, irony, whatever you want to call it. It all started a long time ago by people that didn’t go to posh schools.
Sorry to spoil things for Mr Badeil but the world isn’t like Hampstead everywhere, it’s a harsh and cruel place in so many ways. If you look at the bigger picture, this really isn’t a problem at all is it? You wanna go to Poland to hear real anti-semitic chanting, it’s disgusting. Hear that and you might realise just how innocent the Spurs nickname really is!!
It’s not great but it’s the way it is, read the club statement David and shut the fuck up about it, it’s boring mate… you support Chelsea anyway, plenty racist fans (and a player or two) at that place! Why not boycott them if you feel so strongly about it? Knobhead.
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November 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Got to love the SBL. Great bit of PR for themselves. : >
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